Something doesn't seem to add up. Are these safe for someone to shoot?

[Kuyong_Chuin]

My brother had a guy he knows over in the boothill of Mo load up a box of 270 Winchester rounds but the load doesn't add up to what I am seeing in the manuals. The load is CCI primers 54 grains of H-4350 and 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Silvertips. The guy told him they should chronograph a little over 2700 fps. From what I am seeing in the manuals and on the Nosler web site is that load would be close to max using IMR-4350 I didn't see H-4350 listed for that bullet. It had the velocity well over 2700 fps. The rifle is a brand new Remington 700. Is the load even safe for him to shoot?

 

[dmazur]

The Nosler site shows 52.0gr max of H4350 (2782fps) for a 150gr ballistic silvertip in .270 Winchester.

Nosler "highlights" the most accurate powder tested using a different background color. Sometimes this makes the powder hard to see, if you're looking for black on white with the other powders listed, especially if it is the first powder listed. It almost looks like column header info, but it isn't.

http://www.nosler.com/270-winchester

2 grains over? Doesn't sound safe.

I like factory loads or my own handloads. Others handloads? Not so much. And this is why...

 

[ArchAngelCD]

My brother had a guy he knows over in the boothill of Mo load up a box of 270 Winchester rounds but the load doesn't add up to what I am seeing in the manuals. The load is CCI primers 54 grains of H-4350 and 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Silvertips. The guy told him they should chronograph a little over 2700 fps. From what I am seeing in the manuals and on the Nosler web site is that load would be close to max using IMR-4350 I didn't see H-4350 listed for that bullet. It had the velocity well over 2700 fps. The rifle is a brand new Remington 700. Is the load even safe for him to shoot?

I would not shoot them. I won't say I never shoot anyone's reloads because I have 2 shooting buddies who are outstanding reloaders and I do shoot their reloads but in their guns.

Again, I advise against shooting that ammo because it seems to be overpressure and you have no way of knowing if that reloader is safe or not. A guy your brother knows is not a good endorsement for a safe reloader. Don't do it!

 

[steve4102]

You are a couple three grains over, personally I would NOT shoot these if there were a couple 3 grains Under Max. I don't trust anyone to load my ammo especially a stranger.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

Thanks Guys!!! I am still reading up on reloading and learning and when he told me the load I started checking and it didn't sound right so I thought I would check to be sure. I tell him not to shoot them and as soon as I get a set of dies for 270 I'll break them down and redo them safely.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

Oops the bullets are 130 grain not 150.

 

[splattergun]

yes, that does make a difference. For a 130 gr bullet Nosler's site shows. 55gr max for H4350.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

yes, that does make a difference. For a 130 gr bullet Nosler's site shows. 55gr max for H4350.

Okay I must be going blind because I see IMR-4350 but not H-4350.

 

[243winxb]

H-4350 From 47.4 grains to 56.3 gr. I would not shoot them.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

I'm still going to break them down and redo them. Again thanks guys.

Joey

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Kuyong_Chuin,
No offense meant but please, when you reload please be more careful than you are here in this thread. In a very short time you made 2 major errors. You gave us the wrong bullet weight and then the wrong powder. Either can cause major problems, both can be deadly under the right circumstances.

Joey, I'm not jazzing you, I'm just worried...

 

[Hondo 60]

My brother had a guy he knows over in the boothill of Mo load up a box

No, No, NO!
If you don't know how & when they were made, don't shoot 'em!!!!!

I won't shoot someone else's reloads.
It's just too dangerous.
You've got a small explosion happening inches from your eyes.
Do you trust the reloader with your sight?
Or maybe your life?

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

Kuyong_Chuin,
No offense meant but please, when you reload please be more careful than you are here in this thread. In a very short time you made 2 major errors. You gave us the wrong bullet weight and then the wrong powder. Either can cause major problems, both can be deadly under the right circumstances.

Joey, I'm not jazzing you, I'm just worried...

Sorry about typing the wrong grain bullet to start with. It was a mistake but not mine really. My brother told me 150 grain to start with because he got the two sets of bullets he bought mixed up. He bought 130 grain Nolser Ballistic Silvertips for the 270 and 150 grain Nolser Ballistic Silvertips for his 7mm Remington Mag which has not been loaded. The powder is and has always been H-4350. I said I saw IMR-4350 listed for that round for that bullet but not H-4350. No offense taken like I said I am learning and I am very careful when it comes to firearms and chemicals. I learned my lesson with chemicals at an early age of 17 by getting acid in my eyes in chemistry class even with goggles on when a beaker broke. I also used to hunt with black powder firearms so I know the dangers of being careful at what I am doing. Thank for the advice and I can assure you I will be very careful when I start loading my own shells.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

No, No, NO!
If you don't know how & when they were made, don't shoot 'em!!!!!

I won't shoot someone else's reloads.
It's just too dangerous.
You've got a small explosion happening inches from your eyes.
Do you trust the reloader with your sight?
Or maybe your life?

That is what I am trying to get into my brothers hard head that having someone else load his bullets without him being there and checking that everything was done right and in safe amounts is dangerous. I loaned him my other manual to read while I and studying the Lyman so he might learn something and know that he is being unsafe if he trust these rounds. As soon as I get a bullet puller those round are getting taken apart for his own safety if he likes it or not Dad has already agreed with me that they need to be broke down and not fired till they are safely redone. As far as I am concerned the guy broke the law when he made the rounds to start with. My brother bought the bullets, the brass, and two pounds of powder, the guy charged him $10 and the remaining amount of the first jar of powder for the primers and loading the 50 rounds of 270. I know the guy he had do it and I know he doesn't have a FFL because he buys all his firearms from a mutual friend that is a dealer.

 

[Bud0505]

Kuyong_Chuin,
No offense meant but please, when you reload please be more careful than you are here in this thread. In a very short time you made 2 major errors. You gave us the wrong bullet weight and then the wrong powder. Either can cause major problems, both can be deadly under the right circumstances.

Joey, I'm not jazzing you, I'm just worried...

This is the exact reason I do not use reloading data posted in online websites unless I can verify it in one of my manuals.

 

[Sunray]

"...my brothers hard head..." Your brother's like that too, eh? Mine says his wee bald spot is from other hockey pucks rubbing his head and saying, "Good game, Mike." I told him they were lying. Goalie.
"...didn't see H-4350 listed..." It's listed on Hodgdon's site. 54.3 is max for a 130. Load for the bullet weight. Who made it doesn't matter.

 

[BBQJOE]

I've never shot anyone's reloads.

I also graciously accept others "home canned" foods and place them in the round file.

Too much at risk.

 

[blarby]

My manuals show 55.3 and 55.5 max for a 130 gr bullet in .270 win using h4350

Meh.

It is starting to strike me as odd that everyone else loads are horrible, gun destroying garbage that no one should ever use- but that the ones that come off our own benches are gods personally hand selected and bequeathed gift to firearms chambers.

If ya trust the guy, the load is in spec.

If ya don't, it wouldn't matter if it was in spec, ya don't trust the guy.


Personally, I'd trust just about any handloader over a factory round any day.


As to home canned goods ? I think the same argument applies. I wouldn't give you canned goods I wouldn't eat, and I wouldn't give anyone ammo I wouldn't use.

I won't shoot someone else's reloads.
It's just too dangerous.

As compared to ............... ? ? ? Not to throw stones or anything, but.....

 

[4895]

I think the loads are in spec and I wouldn't be afraid to shoot them if I knew the loader. I have shot others handloads and share ammo occasionally as well. If you want to, pull a bullet out with some pliers and check the powder weight. If all else fails, you can tie to a tree and use a string to pull the trigger. Better yet, have somebody else shoot a round first. Hehe.

 

[x_wrench]

i would at least tear a few of them down, and see if the powder measurement is what he says it is, and if the powder looks correct. if you look closely at it, you should be able to verify that it at least looks right. you can view powder shape from the manufacturers web site and elsewhere on the web. you can not say for sure it is correct, but if it looks different than it is supposed to, definitely tear it all down. also be sure to check the O.A.L. of the rounds. both to the specs, and to see if it chambers in the gun. i am loading for my brothers new 30-06, and i have to seat the bullets shorter than several manufacturers spec. this gun has a very shallow chamber. and since you do not know the make of the bullets, that could get you into trouble. especially if he made them for a gun with a long throated chamber. hand loading is a hobby, that lives or dies in thousandths of an inch. if that ammo is not right for your gun, the results could be catostrophic.

 

[Robert101]

Well let's see....... brand new rifle and cartidges loaded to max load. How about working up a load - anybody? I personally would work up a load in my new rifle and not start balls to the walls at max - just me.