Special Bullets for 3D Printed Guns

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Begs the question why not print the ammo?

That would be a truly groundbreaking advancement.
 
Nuttin' special about the bullets, but the case that holds the bullet in the cartridge.


Just sayin'.......
 
Since each of these are a loaded barrel essentially, the ATF might classify this 'ammunition' as being a firearm. Then you need a 4473 and NICS check for every round purchased and each one serial numbered. And if for a rifle it has to be 16 inches...... the bureaucrats in DC will have a field day over classifying this if someone tries selling it commercially......
 
Fixed ammunition is fixed ammunition; black powder has nothing to do with it. Make the case out of brass, and you basically have 7.62 Nagant ammo --which is not considered a muzzle loader

"Begs the question why not print the ammo?"
-Plastic is a poor projectile (but probably good enough for this)
-Metallic cases are for now, beyond the need of guns that can't even contain them properly (see: these chamber sleeves) so there is no need to print a casing
-A printer that extrudes nitrocellulose propellant would be cool, but likely frowned upon by OSHA, the EPA, and local ordinances (and that agency that regulates really big fires)
-A printer that deposits priming compound would be the last point times a billion in severity

Rapid prototyping has always been, and will always be, best suited for prototyping, simply because additive manufacturing is quite possibly the least efficient method for forming parts imaginable. The only thing it scrimps on is material --almost universally the cheapest component of any manufacturing process. What it is great for is proof of concepts, and the creation of precision tooling to assist more proper methods of production. There are certain features that can only be created by additive processes, but 200+ years of machine designs have quite thoroughly shown that they can be avoided entirely by proper design work almost every time (and since maintenance must be considered, those features can't be abided anyway)

TCB
 
Calling those "bullets" isn't just a semantics failure, but a conceptual error. That is essentially a single shot firearm that is being loaded into a frame to be fired. A zip gun that is in a holder.
 
My comment about printing ammo wasn't too serious, and Barnbwt explains why.

It was meant to show exactly why 3D printing isn't realistic in terms of manufacture. Yet the general idea the public has is that all you do is push a button and voila, out pops a latte or Venizien ground hog aka interstellar lunch.

A well thought out and intelligent reply isn't what the average public commentator or anti gunner would respond with - you get overhyped gushing prose about how great it's going to be, or how the streets will run with blood because of it. Neither are accurate.

Thx, tho, for trying to explain it, B, simply because most of the public conversation, especially in the media, tends to be grossly lacking any thoughtful examination of how difficult it is. Nope, we can't 3D print ammo, and then backing up one step, guns aren't that likely either with the costs so high at present.

I give it 15-20 years before they are even affordable - we have nothing in the way of underlying technical support or an infrastructure to do it. And the ammo for 3D guns? Still done the old fashioned way. Loaded barrel sleeves have been around before, and beg the question why the firearm can't be designed to handle normal ammo.

Since there is a move afoot to get caseless or at least, brassless ammo for military use, how does a printed firearm address those working issues? The chamber is going to have to contain the burning propellant in direct contact with it - sounds like a major impediment to using a low melting point polymer.

Like cell phones - great concept but entirely unfeasible until the lithium battery and nationwide coverage by tower was implemented. That took millions to develop ane tens of millions of dollars to put up towers.

Printed guns take nearly that in equipment, which is why the few working examples - the 1911 series - aren't available except as a demonstration of the technology. And that is to sell aircraft parts making in a highly competitive environment. It's engineers talking smack to each other in a way that grabs them viscerally.

The public fallout means nothing as the public will never ante up the purchase price. Which we never hear, because it's stratospheric.

So, how much will 3D printed ammo cost? Goes to how we highspeed laser sinter a pyrotechnic compound. How do you melt a highly volatile composition that is heat reactive by nature?

It's a rhetorical question, no doubt, and should highlight just how difficult even printing a gun is.
 
I'm surprised that someone hasn't gotten around to using some muzzle loader or percussion revolver parts in some of them already. I saw a video of a 3D printed 10/22 pistol being fired. If you can use 10/22 parts, why not other parts. Why not even just a section of .22 caliber rifled barrel liner? This stuff is already available. It's like people are trying to make this harder than it has to be.
 
What I was thinking, just use a barrel that's already made... if you're machining that much, a chamber and barrel is not that far off.
 
Yep. Why not use a barrel that's already made out of steel, or at least a length of steel tube that can handle a low pressure load? Combine that with some plastic, maybe solder or dovetail in a couple tenons onto the barrel, then drill through and pin it to the "receiver" like is done on muzzleloaders.

Of course, I'm not looking at it the same way. I'm looking at it like "what do I have available for ten bucks that I could build into something that will launch a bullet with nothing more than a Leatherman and a cordless drill." They're looking at it like "I've got this bazillion dollar 3D printer and I really want to impress my friends and irritate the government."

But the idea of making your own gun... that's not new. Hell, right now I've got two broken cheap .22 revolvers with cylinders that could easily handle a thousand more rounds each. Numrich Gun Parts has cylinders like that for around $22 each for one of them. Some of the hardest work is already done - I'd need specialized tools and knowledge I don't have to machine a functional cylinder, but I don't need to do that. All I need is $22, a frame to mount it on, and a way to smack a .22LR rim hard enough to make it get loud. Surely these guys printing guns and posting them on Youtube could come up with a way to bridge a gap like that.
 
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