1KPerDay
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No, but I do like to hold onto the thing...
Stock For HD Shotgun
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rabid wombat
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Go a full stock…you can shoulder it like it was designed for, or pinch the butt between your hip and elbow for a much shorter presentation (‘like’ a pistol grip without the ‘hardness’ on the wrist - though you will be ‘shooting from the hip’). I went with a short LOP from Houge for my wife’s 590. Works fine for me…though I may bump my nose with my thumb….
I have fired a couple of rounds with a true pistol grip…no need for that in the future….
I have fired a couple of rounds with a true pistol grip…no need for that in the future….
gwpercle
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Smart Move !
Traditional style is my choice but the other would do !
The reason I say that is I stood and watched a Police Officer answering a call about a loose dog attacking walkers and bike riders ... he pulled up and exited the car with a pastol gripped pump Remington ... as the dog bore down on him he fired 3 shots from point blank to 6 feet and 15 feet... after those three the dog was running down the stree headed between two houses and the Officer couldn't shoot any more .so close I wouldn't have thought you could miss ... but the officer missed 3 easy shots and I know he missed because he didn't have a butt stock to help him aim that 12 gauge loaded with buckshot . That Officer should have dropped that dog at his feet but couldn't do it .
No sir ree bob ... you want to hit ... have a butt stock . I like to keep extra ammo on a butt cuff !
Gary
Traditional style is my choice but the other would do !
The reason I say that is I stood and watched a Police Officer answering a call about a loose dog attacking walkers and bike riders ... he pulled up and exited the car with a pastol gripped pump Remington ... as the dog bore down on him he fired 3 shots from point blank to 6 feet and 15 feet... after those three the dog was running down the stree headed between two houses and the Officer couldn't shoot any more .so close I wouldn't have thought you could miss ... but the officer missed 3 easy shots and I know he missed because he didn't have a butt stock to help him aim that 12 gauge loaded with buckshot . That Officer should have dropped that dog at his feet but couldn't do it .
No sir ree bob ... you want to hit ... have a butt stock . I like to keep extra ammo on a butt cuff !
Gary
Old Dog
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Yes, and wearing body armor makes longer stocks even more unwieldy. Pistol grips on Mossberg 590s can make access to the action bar release tab more difficult.
I have one of these Magpul stocks, but haven't mounted it to my 590A1.
Think I'm good with the Speedfeed stock that came with it.
Old Dog
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Forgot to mention that yes, I have experience with the AR collapsible style stocks on shotguns. Basically a "solution" used in training and qualification for fema..., er, shorter-armed and short of statured personnel.
They did not hold up well. As others have noted, a traditional style stock is the most adaptable. If you have shorter arms (or wear over-the-shirt body armor), the stock can always be shortened a bit, depending on its material/construction.
They did not hold up well. As others have noted, a traditional style stock is the most adaptable. If you have shorter arms (or wear over-the-shirt body armor), the stock can always be shortened a bit, depending on its material/construction.
Scooter22
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I put the 12 1/2" Hogues on my Maverick 88 and H&R Pardner. I figure in a HD I'm not going to be aiming like I would be hunting. More of a heads up or somewhere down to the hip. If you do get a shorter one just watcg your thumb if your aiming it at targets or it can catch your nose. Plus both my shoulders have had RC surgery in the past and my left doesn't like long pumping action.
DustyGmt
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Before I was a shotgun guy I was an AR guy (still am, just broadened my horizon), I wanted my 870 to be set up like the guns I was shooting the most (AR's). I bought the grip adapter and popped a buffer tube on my AR along with a 6pos collapsible stock and while I liked the way it looked and the adjustable LOP, I wish I had listened to the more experienced shotgunners on this board and stuck with the standard gun stock.
The 6 pos stock has its benefits but I put the regular gun stock back on after less than a month, not only easier on the shoulder but if you have a traditional stock that fits well I think it shoulders nicer, points nicer, comes back on target and recover your sights/bead more quickly and swings more naturally. I think it's just something you have to try for yourself and make your choice. There is certainly nothing saying you can't be just as proficient with one over the other if you practice....
It is nice to be able to collapse the stock and have a nice compact shotgun that can quickly adjust out to your preferred LOP but in the end the advice I got on here was pretty spot on, stick with the traditional stock.
The 6 pos stock has its benefits but I put the regular gun stock back on after less than a month, not only easier on the shoulder but if you have a traditional stock that fits well I think it shoulders nicer, points nicer, comes back on target and recover your sights/bead more quickly and swings more naturally. I think it's just something you have to try for yourself and make your choice. There is certainly nothing saying you can't be just as proficient with one over the other if you practice....
It is nice to be able to collapse the stock and have a nice compact shotgun that can quickly adjust out to your preferred LOP but in the end the advice I got on here was pretty spot on, stick with the traditional stock.
I appreciate all the responses and advice. Decided to go with a traditional stock and ordered the Hogue over-molded synthetic stock (had to wait a while on a backorder). The AR style stock looked good and liked the adjustability but I'm more familiar with a traditional style stock.
entropy
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Another plus with what you chose is the grip is similar to a Etchen-style trap grip. Very close to what your K80 probably has.
DustyGmt
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Clint smith basically says the same thing about keeping stocks short on your defensive shotgun. Why is this? Is it speed, maneuverability, both? I like the SGA spacers to adjust or the use of shims on a regular stock to increase the LOP because I'm tall with long arms. I shoot better with a properly fitting shotgun and would think it would be the same for anybody. I and most people familiar with shooting could grab any shotgun off the rack regardless of LOP and make it work and get on target, but I would think LOP optimized for the individual would be......optimal, no?
Just wondering why short stocks are stressed over and above a properly fitting stock. Saying "most off the rack shotguns have stocks with LOP's that are too long for defensive use" is a pretty strong definitive statement, just wondering what the reasoning behind it is.
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entropy
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If there my be more than one potential user, shorter is better. It isn't Trap where your target starts at 16 yards away and going farther, it will be up close and personal 2-10 yards at most. Perfect fit is not necessary, nor a good choice, as mounting it perfectly takes time, time you don't want to waste.
From personal experience with snap shots (on game) there are times where it hasn't even made it to my shoulder before I fired and still hit the bird.
From personal experience with snap shots (on game) there are times where it hasn't even made it to my shoulder before I fired and still hit the bird.
I set my 410 Mossberg 500 up for my petite wife to use. I switched the wood stock out with a Mossberg 510 stock with spacer. It works well for either one of use for HD use. The 510 stock without the spacer was just too short though.
lemaymiami
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I suspect the advice about a shorter stock has a bit to do with military / police usage where often a shooting individual is wearing or carrying armor, other gear, etc. I'm relatively small (less than 5'8" now (was nearly 5'9 years ago..) and a standard issued riot gun stock, either Mossberg or Remington worked just fine. Remember in police usage - you must not fire a single shot without being certain of your target, the background and a host of other concerns... so the quick snap shot might be needed in an exchange but that was a concern for after that first contact to see whether you really might have to clear the safety...and get down to business... In the many, many times I actually lined up a live target - I only cleared the safety on the weapon a very very few times - and only fired a single shot - all those years ago...
Any likely opponent will have no such concerns at all... so pray you're never really needing that shotgun. At least that's my take on it...
Any likely opponent will have no such concerns at all... so pray you're never really needing that shotgun. At least that's my take on it...
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I suppose by default both of the Moss. 500s I have with AR stocks would probably be my HD shotguns if I pressed them into that use ( I don’t have them for that).
I carry them on my ATVs as they could be used with me just wearing a long T-shirt (summer) or an insulated Carhart/Walls suit with hoody under it (deep winter). So I put collapsible, non-foldable AR stocks on them (both with cruiser length barrels) and changed wood to synthetic due to environmental concerns with water/mud snow etc.
As already pointed out. Getting to the top mounted safety is somewhat different than a traditional stock requires.
Both of my AR stocks have hard rubber pads (not shown on the OPs AR stock). They don’t absorb much of the recoil (if any at all). Both are made in the USA and have held up to some moderate use over the years but I haven’t feed them hundreds of 3 inch slugs either. They do transfer recoil but I can’t say it’s more than the OEM stock with any certainty.
Before writing this reply I grabbed one of the Mossbergs and adjusted the AR stock to my liking. I like to really snug up on a shotgun. I have on a t-shirt and measured my selected stock setting length of pull right at 13 inches. For comparative data I measured some other shotguns with wood stocks and they were all 14-14.5 inches. One exception was the Winchester 87 clone that measured just a bit over 13.
I carry them on my ATVs as they could be used with me just wearing a long T-shirt (summer) or an insulated Carhart/Walls suit with hoody under it (deep winter). So I put collapsible, non-foldable AR stocks on them (both with cruiser length barrels) and changed wood to synthetic due to environmental concerns with water/mud snow etc.
As already pointed out. Getting to the top mounted safety is somewhat different than a traditional stock requires.
Both of my AR stocks have hard rubber pads (not shown on the OPs AR stock). They don’t absorb much of the recoil (if any at all). Both are made in the USA and have held up to some moderate use over the years but I haven’t feed them hundreds of 3 inch slugs either. They do transfer recoil but I can’t say it’s more than the OEM stock with any certainty.
Before writing this reply I grabbed one of the Mossbergs and adjusted the AR stock to my liking. I like to really snug up on a shotgun. I have on a t-shirt and measured my selected stock setting length of pull right at 13 inches. For comparative data I measured some other shotguns with wood stocks and they were all 14-14.5 inches. One exception was the Winchester 87 clone that measured just a bit over 13.
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Captains1911
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Neither. Get a magpul stock and use it in its shortest configuration. Most people’s HD shotguns have stocks too long for that purpose.
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/lessons-from-shotgun-instructor-school
Good discussion of stocks and other shotgun issues. I've taken a Givens shotgun class. Worth it.
Good discussion of stocks and other shotgun issues. I've taken a Givens shotgun class. Worth it.
Captains1911
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Just curious, how is the LOP “fine?” If it’s what you’d call fine for shooting clay targets, then it’s probably wrong for home defense.
If you have a Mossberg / Maverick you don't want a pistol grip stock of any type. Having your right hand below the stock means you have to move your hand off of the stock to operate the safety and bolt release, both of which can be done with the hand still on the stock using a conventional stock.
It's no loss because you'd be better off with a conventional stock on just about any shotgun. Folding stocks compromise comfort and stability for ease of storage and that shouldn't be an overriding issue with an HD gun.
The LOP on the Hogue stock on the Maverick is "fine" for me and home defense purposes. Have no intention of using the 88 for clays, trap or skeet. Have a K80 Unsingle with a custom stock for trap.
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CoalCrackerAl
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I have a Stevens 320 like this. I did zero the sights for rifled slugs too. I keep #4 turkey loads in it for H.D.
My buddy had one of those and put a real stock on it. I have one with a real stock.