larry starling
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I agree get a safe and if you can afford it get a alarm for your house, Plus it will lower your home owner insurance.... 
Stolen Guns (Get a Safe!)
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StopTheGrays
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Last night I had a nightmare that all of my long guns and handguns had been stolen. 
It woke me out of a deep sleep too. I think I will buy a safe so I can at least try and prevent that nightmare becomming reality.
It woke me out of a deep sleep too. I think I will buy a safe so I can at least try and prevent that nightmare becomming reality.CowboyEngr
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Most thieves are in and out in 5 min. or less. Even a cheap safe that is bolted to the wall will prevent loss. Thieves hit a place, snatch and grab what is easy, then out the door they go. Insurance is better than nothing, but be prepared to get back about 1/2 of what you paid. Insurance companies depreciate guns just like they were a sofa. Thieves are the worst kind of criminal, and they shouldn't exist, but they do. Been there and lost!
Trisha
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The "I'll just be a minute;" or the "It can't/shouldn't happen here - this is a nice neighborhood!" mindset.
I see it far too often, especially up here in the mountains. Some of the commuting crowd that's turning more and more of the Bailey area into a long-range suburb are installing burglar alarms. The problem is, we rarely have more than two or three LEOs on duty during the day in an area of about four hundred square miles, and scanners are prevalent since the Hi-Meadow/Snaking/etc fires, and false alarms go out over the air. It's convenient for criminals. . .
You do what you can to help folks understand reality (dialing 911 is good, but you can have up to a half an hour wait, even if the deputy on-duty responds immediately). You have to get involved, meet your neighbors (better yet, go shooting with them), learn who is always home (the stay-at-home-crowd is aware that reporting/photographing suspicious vehicles/people is what sees Park County have a low crime rate) and so on.
Susan and I operate under the axiom, "If it isn't on you when you leave the house, it's secured."
For the rest of folks, all you can do is hope they wake up and smell the coffee, get involved in their immediate community, and apply the rationale that this requires layers, and thought, and consistent application.
I see it far too often, especially up here in the mountains. Some of the commuting crowd that's turning more and more of the Bailey area into a long-range suburb are installing burglar alarms. The problem is, we rarely have more than two or three LEOs on duty during the day in an area of about four hundred square miles, and scanners are prevalent since the Hi-Meadow/Snaking/etc fires, and false alarms go out over the air. It's convenient for criminals. . .
You do what you can to help folks understand reality (dialing 911 is good, but you can have up to a half an hour wait, even if the deputy on-duty responds immediately). You have to get involved, meet your neighbors (better yet, go shooting with them), learn who is always home (the stay-at-home-crowd is aware that reporting/photographing suspicious vehicles/people is what sees Park County have a low crime rate) and so on.
Susan and I operate under the axiom, "If it isn't on you when you leave the house, it's secured."
For the rest of folks, all you can do is hope they wake up and smell the coffee, get involved in their immediate community, and apply the rationale that this requires layers, and thought, and consistent application.
Buddy of mine got visited by burglers in early June. They took several rifles and 2 handguns. They left the bolt action milsurps. His insurance covers $2,000 in firearms and he lost well in excess of that. He didn't have a safe and didn't have the serial numbers recorded and didn't have an alarm system. He was anguished and furious.
He called a couple of weeks later to report someone had busted a padlock off of a storage room at the house and taken his new weed trimmer and self propelled lawn mower.
He was anguished and furious and went out and bought a gunsafe and located it offsite and put his remaining milsurps in it. I gathered materials so he could further secure his doors and windows.
One month to the day after the first break-in he called to tell me they had kicked the back door in and tossed the house like a salad. They got his remaining hadgun and shotgun, which he had not recorded the serial numbers to, as well as other materials that required him to change all bank/credit accounts.
The insurance company hasn't paid the first claim yet.
Yes, you should be secure in your home and should not have to secure your home against anything but weather, but just as we often say it's realistic and not paranoid to have a loaded gun at hand because criminals that would take your life are out there, it's not parnoid to secure your property against those criminals that would take your property.
He called a couple of weeks later to report someone had busted a padlock off of a storage room at the house and taken his new weed trimmer and self propelled lawn mower.
He was anguished and furious and went out and bought a gunsafe and located it offsite and put his remaining milsurps in it. I gathered materials so he could further secure his doors and windows.
One month to the day after the first break-in he called to tell me they had kicked the back door in and tossed the house like a salad. They got his remaining hadgun and shotgun, which he had not recorded the serial numbers to, as well as other materials that required him to change all bank/credit accounts.
The insurance company hasn't paid the first claim yet.
Yes, you should be secure in your home and should not have to secure your home against anything but weather, but just as we often say it's realistic and not paranoid to have a loaded gun at hand because criminals that would take your life are out there, it's not parnoid to secure your property against those criminals that would take your property.
Pepper Spray Ambush Deters Theives
Somewhere in the back of Shotgun News I saw an ad for a Anti-Theft pepper spray unit that was activated by thieves, then would fill the room with 8 oz.'s of lung burning fire....and supposedly "air out" of your place in a few hours. Sounds really effective. Certainly might protect your guns, whether in a safe or not. I bet it's illegal in California, like everything else that might hurt that states most important protected species: criminals, low lives and scum.
Somewhere in the back of Shotgun News I saw an ad for a Anti-Theft pepper spray unit that was activated by thieves, then would fill the room with 8 oz.'s of lung burning fire....and supposedly "air out" of your place in a few hours. Sounds really effective. Certainly might protect your guns, whether in a safe or not. I bet it's illegal in California, like everything else that might hurt that states most important protected species: criminals, low lives and scum.
jason10mm
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Actually, I think "booby traps" like that are pretty much illegal everywhere. Not so much to protect the criminals, but probably to protect cops, firemen, etc who might have to enter your home without your direct supervision.
It IS tempting though!!!
That guy who was B&E'd three times REALLY needs to invest in a good dog.
It IS tempting though!!!
That guy who was B&E'd three times REALLY needs to invest in a good dog.
If someone really wants your valuables, they will get them. That said, it's only common sense to lock up your valuables to prevent the random crime of opportunity.
Last night I arrested a 17 year old for possessing and selling a stolen gun. The gun was stolen in another jurisdiction so they will file the theft charges. Basically our young thief was at the house he stole the gun from with the owners son and several other kids. They were riding dirtbikes, one of them took a fall and scraped himself up. They were sent by the owners son into the house to find some first aid supplies to patch up the minor cuts and scrapes. The thief came across the homeowners bedroom pistol while walking through, on his way to the bathroom to get bandaids etc. Thief pocketed pistol and sold it two days ater to another kid where I work. The kid recognized the pistol and asked where it came from. Then he called his aunt, who is a State Trooper and she called me. We were fortunate to recover the gun before the owner even knew it was missing. That's not the norm....
Even if you think your hideout weapon is well hidden, (this one was on top of an antique crank telephone used as decoration), people will notice. The owner didn't even know it was missing until I called him. But the thief spotted it and pocketed it.
Jeff
Last night I arrested a 17 year old for possessing and selling a stolen gun. The gun was stolen in another jurisdiction so they will file the theft charges. Basically our young thief was at the house he stole the gun from with the owners son and several other kids. They were riding dirtbikes, one of them took a fall and scraped himself up. They were sent by the owners son into the house to find some first aid supplies to patch up the minor cuts and scrapes. The thief came across the homeowners bedroom pistol while walking through, on his way to the bathroom to get bandaids etc. Thief pocketed pistol and sold it two days ater to another kid where I work. The kid recognized the pistol and asked where it came from. Then he called his aunt, who is a State Trooper and she called me. We were fortunate to recover the gun before the owner even knew it was missing. That's not the norm....
Even if you think your hideout weapon is well hidden, (this one was on top of an antique crank telephone used as decoration), people will notice. The owner didn't even know it was missing until I called him. But the thief spotted it and pocketed it.
Jeff
yayarx7
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Man!
How did this happen with the dog home?
Or was the dog with him in the trip? Is his dog OK?
...the point is get a dog. Best darn deterrent you can get for free, at the pound.
...then get an alarm system sign and then a safe.
How did this happen with the dog home?
Or was the dog with him in the trip? Is his dog OK? ...the point is get a dog. Best darn deterrent you can get for free, at the pound.
...then get an alarm system sign and then a safe.
Knife_Sniper
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Before I got a safe I used to pop the upper and lower apart on my ARs and snap the lower on a closet hanger and then I would place a ratty jacket or unatractive shirt on the coathanger. I would then push all the clothes to one end of the closet...
Tell me a lowlife could have found that? I had even sent my best friends into the closet and told them to find my guns and they couldnt do it... they knew they were in the somewhat messy junk of a closet I have but simply could not locate them. They moved the clothes about, tugged at the carpet, shifted the junk about, looked through the boxes on top.... nothing.
Tell me a lowlife could have found that? I had even sent my best friends into the closet and told them to find my guns and they couldnt do it... they knew they were in the somewhat messy junk of a closet I have but simply could not locate them. They moved the clothes about, tugged at the carpet, shifted the junk about, looked through the boxes on top.... nothing.
silverlance
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when you get burgled you have about 1 week to lock down your house
after i got robbed (1ar, 1 10/22) i was really hurt.
but i got more mad than hurt... so i got my shiz together and battened down the hatches.
got a korean guard dog...
got a security system (adt)
got a gun vault for a handgun and securing locks ...
got a cheapie $400 sentry safe....
secured all doors and windows with bolts and dowels...
then went out and bought a benelli m1, a p228, and black bear's super duper flashlight.
I also put "warning: this dog is aggressive, do not pet" signs up. and cleared out the yards so that no one can hide in them anyhmore.
the result?
2 weeks later 3 big black guys jumped over the rear wall (they were seen by neighbor's wife, who called cops... which came an hour later) and were met face on with my Jindo. they saw the alarm signs (they had tripped my homemade perimeter alarm already, one I put together from tripwire stuff i found on ebay), saw the dog, and promptly jumped back over the wall.
=)
after i got robbed (1ar, 1 10/22) i was really hurt.
but i got more mad than hurt... so i got my shiz together and battened down the hatches.
got a korean guard dog...
got a security system (adt)
got a gun vault for a handgun and securing locks ...
got a cheapie $400 sentry safe....
secured all doors and windows with bolts and dowels...
then went out and bought a benelli m1, a p228, and black bear's super duper flashlight.
I also put "warning: this dog is aggressive, do not pet" signs up. and cleared out the yards so that no one can hide in them anyhmore.
the result?
2 weeks later 3 big black guys jumped over the rear wall (they were seen by neighbor's wife, who called cops... which came an hour later) and were met face on with my Jindo. they saw the alarm signs (they had tripped my homemade perimeter alarm already, one I put together from tripwire stuff i found on ebay), saw the dog, and promptly jumped back over the wall.
=)
Good doggie, Jindo!
I hope Jindo got a treat or two?
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My two dogs are territorial and will bark when strangers are about and I have seen them intimidate the heck outta some folks. Truth is, they are dangerous only to birds, squirrels & other small varmints. But the BGs don't know that the 110lbs of doggie on the other side of the fencewould not tear out their throat.
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WRT safes, I have had to go a different route, due to space considerations.
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What would I do in the case of my shotgun getting stolen? It has no S/N, being pre-1968.
EDIT: I have a RSC, but this is my HD gun so I leave it hidden but close enough; don't just say "lock it up", that's not an option.
EDIT: I have a RSC, but this is my HD gun so I leave it hidden but close enough; don't just say "lock it up", that's not an option.
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