TwinReverb
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It's basically a business / legal thing. I don't see the problem with it, if you ask someone to do something and don't pay for them.
store keeping gun for unpaid repair?
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silicosys4
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Hmm, yea, a reblued ithaca deerslayer probably wouldn't move very quickly at $300, and the owner probably didn't want to have $300 into a bluing job on a $200-$250 gun
http://gunauction.com/buy/13511543/
http://gunauction.com/buy/13511543/
I agree with you guys about the work and keeping it for payment but I was more worried about the paper work issue.
if it were me I wouldn't have signed anything had they miss quoted me that bad so imo how would the store get the rights to sell it if the owner had not signed it over to them.
the one you linked is very different. the one at the store has a black walnut stock with checkering and rifled barrel, drilled and taped
if it were me I wouldn't have signed anything had they miss quoted me that bad so imo how would the store get the rights to sell it if the owner had not signed it over to them.
the one you linked is very different. the one at the store has a black walnut stock with checkering and rifled barrel, drilled and taped
gamestalker
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I know every state is different, but in Az. the LE won't run a firearm, handgun or long gun, unless they have reasonable suspicion it may be stolen, suspected as being involved in a crime, or in possession by a prohibited individual.
I learned this when negotiating to buy a handgun from a private party a couple years ago, and I wanted to check to see if it may be stolen. No one, state or local LE would run the serial number for me. They simply told me that unless they had made contact with someone that raised red flags about the firearm, or probable cause as it were, they won't do a serial number check. I did however ask an LEO friend to do it, and he reluctantly ran it for me, but stated that he could possibly get in trouble for doing it.
But that's Az., each state is different.
As to the SG, I would go for it if you are satisfied with the price and condition. It's coming from an FFL, that right there should be enough verification that it's not stolen. Most FFL's aren't going to put their license at risk, and, or risk facing federal charges for doing an illegal transaction, and especially for a $200 or $300 shotgun.
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I learned this when negotiating to buy a handgun from a private party a couple years ago, and I wanted to check to see if it may be stolen. No one, state or local LE would run the serial number for me. They simply told me that unless they had made contact with someone that raised red flags about the firearm, or probable cause as it were, they won't do a serial number check. I did however ask an LEO friend to do it, and he reluctantly ran it for me, but stated that he could possibly get in trouble for doing it.
But that's Az., each state is different.
As to the SG, I would go for it if you are satisfied with the price and condition. It's coming from an FFL, that right there should be enough verification that it's not stolen. Most FFL's aren't going to put their license at risk, and, or risk facing federal charges for doing an illegal transaction, and especially for a $200 or $300 shotgun.
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When I worked at a LGS it was common for someone to come in after a big gun show with a gun that they got a great buy on cause he was told it only needed a couple of screws or a new spring. The seller forgot to tell the new owner parts were not available or the cost of the repair was more than the gun was worth even after it was fixed. So the story about the previous owner not paying the bill is very believable.
The O.P. says the gun is for sale at a big box store. I see no risk to him in buying the gun if it is in sound condition.
The O.P. says the gun is for sale at a big box store. I see no risk to him in buying the gun if it is in sound condition.
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Just buy the gun and don't worry about the previous owner. His loss = your gain.
Others are correct-the $200 tag is to cover their costs. They were going to charge him that $200 and more for profit.
Just go get it!
Others are correct-the $200 tag is to cover their costs. They were going to charge him that $200 and more for profit.
Just go get it!
ClickClickD'oh
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It's like running license plates. If he's just sitting at the computer running serial numbers for kicks he will get in trouble. If he's running a number as part of legitimate police business then it's okay. So, the question becomes what is legitimate police business. With the license plate example, running the plates of his daughters boyfriends car won't fly, but if a citizen flags him down and says there's a car that's been abandoned behind their business for a couple days, and could they check to see if it's been reported stolen... that will work. So back on topic, a police officer walking into the LGS and running the serials on all the consignment guns, won't work. If a person contacts them and says they have concerns about a gun in a transaction, they could.
I've had customers drop off guns for me to clean, inspect, or repair, and every time I let them know they have 30 days to pay and pick up after I notify them. I always talk to the customer (not the wife, son, ect..) or leave a message on the voice mail of the phone number they leave me. Anything left after 30 days may be sold to cover cleaning, inspecting, sighting in, repair and storage costs.
I've had more than one try to negotiate lower prices after the work they authorize is done, expecially when they didn't read the manual after I told them to and couldn't figure out how to operate the gun.
I've had more than one try to negotiate lower prices after the work they authorize is done, expecially when they didn't read the manual after I told them to and couldn't figure out how to operate the gun.
You have absoutely no basis to make that statement as though its fact. Believe it or not, not every police station outside of VT has the time or resources to check every random gun someone wants info on. That's just not reality. Your examples don't hold water. I operate a hotel. We've had people park to where they are obstructing the fire lane. I called the police to run the plates in an attempt to find the owner. Such a request did not fall under their definition of police business and the plates were not ran. I've had other cases with similiar results. A request doesn't make it "police business". You are operating on assumptions, not facts. What makes sense in your head, and the reality of what goes on, are NOT one and the same it seems, at least in this instance. The fact of the matter is most police depts have no interest in running the serial numbers of random guns brought in by the public just to "clear" them somehow. I doubt you'll believe me, but how about providing evidence of your claims by way of state statutes or police regulations? I'm sure if "every dept outsicde of VT" does this sort of thing, you'll have no issue finding documentation of the practice being widespread. You made the claim, now back it up with fact please
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alexander45
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I've gotten a few cars this way the last one being a mercury cougar guy had the fuel rails and injecters done then never picked up the car or payed for the work. So his loss my win
Averageman
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There is no accounting for what someone might do, or how their situation might have changed.
I wouldn't hesitate to purchase the gun and no, it wouldn't bother me a bit.
When you take a gun to a Gunsmith you ask for an estimate, if you know the guy and his work I dont hesitate to put some money down on the project (as much as 50%) sometimes.
Other people estimate the cost say "Yes" and then have an issue with money, or a family emergency, either way they have two options.
1) Work it out with the Gunsmith.
2) Let the gun go.
That's why I like to put the money down, it is much less likely to cause an issue if it might take me an extra week to get the money if he has already been paid a retainer.
Of course everything should be well explained and on paper to include your down payment for services. It keeps everyone from being forgetful and it keeps the lights on in the shop.
I too am in Texas and I have never had an LEO, even one far from my home, have an issue running a Serial Number for me. I got a got deal on an H&K USPC in 45acp in the Houston area, that's about 200 miles from home. They ran the numbers and we did the exchange in the PD parking lot.
I wouldn't hesitate to purchase the gun and no, it wouldn't bother me a bit.
When you take a gun to a Gunsmith you ask for an estimate, if you know the guy and his work I dont hesitate to put some money down on the project (as much as 50%) sometimes.
Other people estimate the cost say "Yes" and then have an issue with money, or a family emergency, either way they have two options.
1) Work it out with the Gunsmith.
2) Let the gun go.
That's why I like to put the money down, it is much less likely to cause an issue if it might take me an extra week to get the money if he has already been paid a retainer.
Of course everything should be well explained and on paper to include your down payment for services. It keeps everyone from being forgetful and it keeps the lights on in the shop.
I too am in Texas and I have never had an LEO, even one far from my home, have an issue running a Serial Number for me. I got a got deal on an H&K USPC in 45acp in the Houston area, that's about 200 miles from home. They ran the numbers and we did the exchange in the PD parking lot.
Many people want some POS that means the "world to the family" fixed or restored, and then when you tell them the cost they balk (even when it isn't much). Others agree, and skip out even if the quote was on target.
I have no problem believing that somebody said "cost is no object" on a repair/resto and then bailed when it was done.
As for stolen stuff. So much is in error or omitted from the list, there are no guarantees. Best bet is to buy from a shop. If a deal on the outside is too good to be true.....it probably isn't the deal you think.
More than one snowbird has come home to a lighter safe. Family member does legal sales, even through shops...........claims pops died.
Months later he comes in all PO'd, wants his stuff back. Has to press charges to declare them stolen. If he doesn't then he has to reimburse the shop for what they paid, if they have them. Time lapsed........who knows where some of it by the time he finds out, or decides to press charges.
Shops can lose money doing the right thing.
With lesser types of society stupid......they might just want to recoup $ faster, and for only what they have tied up in a repair.
Not uncommon if one has been in the biz a while.
I have no problem believing that somebody said "cost is no object" on a repair/resto and then bailed when it was done.
As for stolen stuff. So much is in error or omitted from the list, there are no guarantees. Best bet is to buy from a shop. If a deal on the outside is too good to be true.....it probably isn't the deal you think.
More than one snowbird has come home to a lighter safe. Family member does legal sales, even through shops...........claims pops died.
Months later he comes in all PO'd, wants his stuff back. Has to press charges to declare them stolen. If he doesn't then he has to reimburse the shop for what they paid, if they have them. Time lapsed........who knows where some of it by the time he finds out, or decides to press charges.
Shops can lose money doing the right thing.
With lesser types of society stupid......they might just want to recoup $ faster, and for only what they have tied up in a repair.
Not uncommon if one has been in the biz a while.
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ClickClickD'oh
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Davek1977 said:
Okay, since there always has to be that one pedantic person in every thread, let me modify my original statement to include the painfully obvious:
Amended Statement said:
Happy?
Davek1977 said:
Actually, I was operating on my experience as a former LEO.. but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Averageman said:
Hey now, stop that. People are busy accusing me of making things up. You can't just walk in here and corroborate what I'm saying.
ClickClickD'oh
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Davek1977 said:
Probably because you are just asking for an owner/registration verification which you can run as a private citizen, so stop wasting the time of the police.
However, if you had called the police and told them that you had a problem with people parking in the fire lane and wanted some extra enforcement, you'd have an officer and a tow truck camped out for a couple of days.
One is police business, the other is not. Verifying possible stolen cars is police business. Finding the owner of a car so you can ask them to move is not.
Awsomepossum
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For 200$, I would buy the Ithaca.
Regarding searching for stolen guns, if law enforcement can't or won't help you there are sites where you can run searches yourself. Hotgunz is one. If it doesn't show up in their database, it doesn't mean it's not stolen but it's better than nothing. From their site:
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ClickClickD'oh,
Not valid in N.C. either. Big no no and can cost an agency it's right to NCIC if info is run for private citizens.
Not valid in N.C. either. Big no no and can cost an agency it's right to NCIC if info is run for private citizens.
420Stainless
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I've had them run a serial no. for me on a found gun. Not sure what the right to privacy is if you're asking them to see if it was reported stolen, not to see who the recorded purchaser was. Law enforcement should be able to verify if it has been reported stolen or not without divulging any private information.
SC Shooter
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If you're dealing with a reputable store, I wouldn't worry too much. As someone previously said, there are lots of reasons why the guy did't pick it up. I recently picked up New Colt 1911 from a local dealer who had the gun on layaway for someone who backed out of the deal and walked away from the gun. My LGS applied the earlier deposit to the my purchase price and I got a heck of a deal. Of course the LGS did this for me because I had purchased several guns from him in the past.
hemiram
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Not recently, but years ago, I got some great deals on some great guns bought at gun stores where people never came back to pick up guns they had fixed. A friend of mine is driving a car he got the same way.
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