Successfully pulled a .22 LR

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NAA Companion owners will be happy to hear it's very easy to pull .22 LR ammo. I just pulled the bullet from a Remington 36 grain Golden Bullet bonus pack hollowpoint. That's the extremely cheap crap that Wal-mart sells for $10 per 550. Let's see, do I want to pay $51 shipped for 550 lead bullets from NAA, plus around $1.60 for the powder (assuming 1 gr Bullseye per shot, at $20 per pound), or would I rather pay $10.56 with tax? That's a no-brainer.

All I did was take a piece of 1/2" nominal PVC pipe (it's what I had lying around), cut off half of one end (lengthwise) for about an inch, and drilled a hole through with a 15/64" bit. Put the round through the hole, put a piece of masking tape over it, and start smacking the pipe against a piece of wood, over a piece of paper to catch the powder and stuff. After a few whacks, the bullet and case both went flying into the air. Ended up with a bullet that actually weighs 38 grains, and about 1.3 grains of some kind of small flake pistol powder (some may have gone flying, so I don't know if that's the whole charge). It looks 100% identical in every way to Power Pistol, but I'm not dumb enough to try and ID a powder based on appearance.

The bullet is .469" from nose to tip, about .1235" of which is the heel. The bullet body is .2255" wide, and the heel is .204" at the widest. So if Companions direct from the factory have at least .346" from cylinder face to the counterbore, and the counterbore is greater than .204" in diameter, they should work with these bullets fine. Mine still ain't here so I can't check. UPS says it'll be here Thursday. It looks like there's a number 2 stamped on the bottom of the bullet. Weird.

I'm going to pull a few more and edit in the weights and stuff of the bullets and powder charges.

Bullet 2 weighs 39.3 grains, and came with 1.6 grains of powder. The thing on the bottom of this one looks more like a crooked letter T. It looks nothing like the mark on the other. Maybe it's just a byproduct of the manufacturing procedure? Length .476", heel .118", width .226", heel width .205". I'm starting to get what feels like a dynamite headache, so I suspect whatever powder this is is double-base. I need some kind of airtight container to put this junk in.

Bullet 3 has what might be an M, a W, or a backwards N on the bottom. Are serial numbered bullets becoming a reality? :uhoh: The bullet is 39.1 grains, and the powder kinda went all over the place. Saved about .7 grain.

Bullet 4 has some kind of unintelligible scribble on it. The bullet formerly known as Prince? Actually, it looks sorta like a human torso with arms, but no legs or head, with a horizontal line above it. This one is a monster, weighing in at 41.2 grains. It's very noticably taller than the other bullets, though the extra height seems to all be in the heel. Powder charge is 1.5 grains, assuming I got it all.

Number 5 is definitely a backwards S. It weighs 39.4 gr. I'm now positive I'm losing some powder every time, so no powder weight. Average charge is probably 1.6 to 1.8 grains.

So for these 5 bullets, the average weight is 39.4 grains, with an extreme spread of 3.2 grains.
 
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Eh? This was relevant to the BP forum, since there was interest in using pulled .22 LR bullets and powder charges in the NAA Companion, which is a cap and ball revolver. One of the biggest questions was whether it's possible to get the bullets out without mangling either them or the case. Didn't want to bump the old thread though, where it might get overlooked. Oh, well. More exposure on this forum I guess.

Think anyone'd be interested in buying a bunch of empty but primed .22 LR cases? I have no .22s.

In other news, while emptying out my tin of Remington #11 percussion caps so I could put the powder in there, I discovered Remington gave me 102 caps instead of 100. Cool, except now I've got nowhere to put the extra 2, since I moved them all into a small pistol primer tray.
 
Why not try loading up some candle wax and selling them as 'indoor practice' primer-only rounds?
 
The inside of the case is about .204" or .205". The wax would probably just splatter instead of properly obturating. Though I could see if I could have some swaging dies made that would squish an airsoft BB to the proper diameter and shape (with the heel), and load those. If people would buy 'em.
 
Think anyone'd be interested in buying a bunch of empty but primed .22 LR cases?

Can't you load em up with airgun pellets??



I pulled some .22lr (with my fingers) only to find they were too long for the chamber of my mini revolver. In fact I've got 500 of them now:mad:

Only the magnum NAAs use .22lr bullets, the normal ones use .22 short bullets:)
 
"Think anyone'd be interested in buying a bunch of empty but primed .22 LR cases? I have no .22s"

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Holy Moly man! If you were in NC I'd give you one!
 
Back a while, I knew several hard-core NRA Hunter Pistol Silhouette shooters who would pull bullets from .22 WMR rounds and load 50 - 55 gr jacketed bullets. Given the heeled bullet, I don't recall ever seeing how that was actually done, or how it looked. In any event, they would reclaim all the powder, seat the bullet, and shoot that in a Contender with a rifle scope. Never thought that lived up to the spirit of the game, but it's what won.
 
Can't you load em up with airgun pellets??


I pulled some .22lr (with my fingers) only to find they were too long for the chamber of my mini revolver. In fact I've got 500 of them now

Only the magnum NAAs use .22lr bullets, the normal ones use .22 short bullets

I considered that, but to get pellets in, you'd need to squash the skirt down to .204" (5.2 mm) to get it in, and the "waist" portion isn't wide enough to crimp the case on.

If you've got a little X-Acto saw or something, you may be able to chop enough off the bottoms of the bullets you pulled that they'd fit. And then you'd also have little nubby pellet type things that'd probably be light enough to shoot with just a cap.

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Holy Moly man! If you were in NC I'd give you one!

I can pay shipping and transfer fee! :D

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Back a while, I knew several hard-core NRA Hunter Pistol Silhouette shooters who would pull bullets from .22 WMR rounds and load 50 - 55 gr jacketed bullets. Given the heeled bullet, I don't recall ever seeing how that was actually done, or how it looked. In any event, they would reclaim all the powder, seat the bullet, and shoot that in a Contender with a rifle scope. Never thought that lived up to the spirit of the game, but it's what won.

.22 mag doesn't use a heeled bullet. It has a .243" outside diameter and .223" inside diameter to the case.

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As a kid, I did this all the time with a vise and pliers.

Guess sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart.

Yikes. What'd you do with them? Sounds like that would ruin the case, the bullet, or both. I think I'll stick with my 5 foot long PVC pipe. Pulling them this way doesn't hit the rim any harder than dropping a box full of .22 ammo.
 
I've got a few projects that I've wanted to do with primed empty .22 cases, I could never keep the cases from being damaged tho.

could you post a picture of your apparatus?

I've been wanting to try loading a single flechette round into them.

I want to pour a polymer sabot around the fins, turn it down on my lathe, score it with a razor blade. and then crimp it in place inside the .22 shell.

a kind of a poor mans copy of the steyr Aug round.

good luck with your project, I had never heard of anything like that.
 
The actual puller itself is too embarassing to put a picture up. The cuts are all crooked, and the holes are drilled all crooked, and everything. I can do a crappy MS Paint drawing though.

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I just use tape to hold the round in place. Working on making a "sleeve" out of something that'd work, but my choice of materials is very limited.
 

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At a range that I shoot at, they have a pull rig set up for dismantling dud .22 rimfire rounds.
 
Does it avoid mangling the bullet or the case? What's it look like?

Got 10 pulled so far. All 10 together weigh 394.4 grains, so the average weight so far is just over 39.4 grains. A little off from the 36 grains written on the box...
 
Pullin' .22s

Uh...Might wanna be real careful with that puller. .22 rimfire priming compound is in the rim...Compression of the rim lights the primer.
Heavy plastic pipe will keep the side-spit splinters at bay, but if the round isn't contained at the rear, it becomes a pretty nasty projectile in its own right.
 
never figured on pullling down wallyworld crap 22s for that purpose,very sharp.seriously.

one of the things that kept me from wanting a "cap and ball"style naa mini was availability of the goofy bullets they used,now i may have to get one.

mail order = no missouri "permit to aquire a concealable weapon"tho if you were a fellon it'd still be a felony to be caught with 1.
 
I'm not really all that worried about setting one off. With my puller, the impact is spread pretty evenly across the entire rim. It's really no worse than the impact the rounds are exposed to in shipping. Especially loosely packed, like in the bulk boxes. Whacking the puller against the floor a ton has yet to put even a tiny dent in any of the rims.

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Just remember that the standard size Companion apparently will only work with .22 short sized bullets. I'm not sure about the Magnum one, but mine'll be here soon.

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I don't cast bullets. I really don't want to be breathing in lead fumes. Or burning my fingers off.
 
being a reloader who doesnt like to make grenades out of my guns i have a good scale.when i get back to the "armory"ill pull a wally round and cut the rebated portion off and check its weight,if its the same as a short(29gr)were in biz,if not a file can be used to remove more lead.electronic scales are down to less than 50bux and when you graduate to a bigger caliber you may want to reload so its a good investment.

ill post results on my dabbleing sat night.or anyone here with a scale can do same sooner.
 
beadvised with the design of your puller the rim is being impacted on the bottom when you smack it,you may not have had any probs but its always possible to. what i would do is take a peice of 1x2 drill your 15/64" hole in it.then insert the round and useing your finger pinch the bullet out,i kno itll bend the tail but your gonna lose that when you reduce the weight anyway

beats a loud noise and metal shards flying by you.
 
Update, the heel on the bullet (the tail) is too wide to fit into the counterbored chamber. I managed to get a bullet really stuck when it swaged and basically flooded the entire chamber with lead. Had to drill it a ton to get it to the point where I could hammer the bullet out. There's still a thin sleeve of lead inside the chamber, that I can't remove. Bleah. But the chambers do go deep enough that a so-called 36 grain bullet should be able to fit in there, once the heel is removed.

Also, percussion caps lack the "oomph" to get an airsoft BB out of the chamber. I've got 4 stuck in there that I'll just have to load powder backwards to get out. I managed to tap one out with a hammer, but I lost my favorite metal rod in the process.

I'm glad I'm getting primer nipples for this thing made. Man.
 
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