suggestions for a truck/trunk long gun to keep there.

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:scrutiny: Guy with 51 posts accuses moderator with 24,000 posts of being a troll.

Now I have seen it all!

OP, seriously, I hope you've weighed the pros and cons of doing this, and I hope you never have your trunk gun stolen, or ever need it. All the possible benefits and disadvantages were covered in this thread that I started a couple years back. For the life of me I can't figure out the rationale, but you'll do what you think is best.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=663466&highlight=trunk+gun
 
No sir, but if one is taken out of your vehicle by a thief, you sir are responsible for that. If you have taken all reasonable measures to prevent it, then you have done all you can. For example a bolted down safe or something like that in a vehicle. Leaving a loaded firearm in a vehicle unattended is not responsible IMHO.
 
so no gun should be left unattended at the home. you are responsible. make sure your guns are in a bolted down safe while you sleep. get two bolted down safes. one for guns and one for mags and ammo. be responsible.
 
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With all do respect, every gun I own is in a bolted safe except the one I'm carrying. I have a bedside safe and a large chest style safe. Those who cannot afford a safe, they do the best they can. I just think leaving a gun where it can be easily stolen is not responsible.
 
No sir, but if one is taken out of your vehicle by a thief, you sir are responsible for that
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No, I'm not. In fact, I posted on that topic quite recently:

I've become a Very Hard Man when it comes to certain things, and this is one of them. When I look across the spectrum of how life is instantiated on this Earth and how it evolves and flourishes and survives, I note that in all successful ecosystems, there is one basic truth - individual decisions have consequences, and decisions that cause direct harm to others in the community are addressed as such.

Spreading the blame for bad decision making from the principal actor [e.g. the thief] towards second- and third-order actors is the sort of muddled thinking that some folk [namely the miscreants] engage in to deflect or defer personal responsibility for their decisions and actions, and that others [e.g. the would-be victims] accept out of a misplaced sense of empathy. Sadly, I fail to see how our society benefits from accepting and promulgating such an approach. It certainly helps the [miscreant] individual - it lessens the impact of responsibility - but in doing so society as a whole loses the ability to identify and hold accountable the root behavior that is dangerous to the community.

If somebody steals a car and uses it to mow down a bunch of nuns carrying rescued kittens to safety, the car owner is not responsible for the death of those nuns and kittens - EVEN IF THEY LEFT THE CAR UNLOCKED. They may be viewed as UNWISE to have left the car unlocked, but they are not RESPONSIBLE for the decision making that led some miscreant to commit theft and criminally bad driving. It is reasonably easy to articulate that the poor decision-making that was the menance to society was the product of the thief and not the car owner. Even as muddled as our civil laws may be in this area, our criminal laws still support this notion at the most basic level.

Why would we accept a differing position for firearms?
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"With all do respect, every gun I own is in a bolted safe except the one I'm carrying. I have a bedside safe and a large chest style safe. Those who cannot afford a safe, they do the best they can. I just think leaving a gun where it can be easily stolen is not responsible."

all my sd guns are not in a safe, loaded, and ready for new york reload. you seem like you wouldn't have any loaded gun around if you where to drink a few beers while watching the game or doing bbq at home. am i right?
 
No, I'm not. In fact, I posted on that topic quite recently:
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Rbernie, I understand it is silly to not blame a thief for stealing. I just think, and that is all it is, an opinion, that it is overwhelmingly a better chance for a thief to steal something out of my car, than for me to ever need to resort to a long gun while out and about. For me to leave one there knowing that, would lay heavy on me if it was stolen.

all my sd guns are not in a safe, loaded, and ready for new york reload. you seem like you wouldn't have any loaded gun around if you where to drink a few beers while watching the game or doing bbq at home. am i right?
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Yeah your right, if I'm getting intoxicated, I will not play with guns... Guilty as charged. If you drink and have anything to do with firearms, you sir are more immature than I had first thought.
 
Ok, ok. Let's call this done. The OP certainly has had the chance to say whatever he wants to say and we're at the "telling" phase now, instead of the "listening" phase.

Mighty good opportunity to move on to other topics.
 
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