Survival rifle for general survival/BOB?

[Jeff White]

I have a Bauer Rabbit. It is an over/under .22/.410. It breaks into two pieces, has a skeletonised stock and a painted black crinkle type finish. This gun was sold under several names over the years. Quality control was hit or miss from what I've been told.

I have a good one, works every time, nothings ever broken on it. It's heavier then an AR7 but breaks down into a pretty small package. Made a buttstock carrier out of a USGI M16 cleaning kit pouch that fits into the stock. This allows me to carry two boxes of .22 LR and several .410 shells.

Found a carry case for aiming posts for the 60mm mortar in a surplus store. It holds both parts when it's broken down and straps neatly to the side of my ruck.

Jeff

 

[Futo Inu]

I think Bob should own whatever gun he chooses.

 

[Blain]

The more I think of the Kel-Tec Sub 2000, the more it seems like the perfect BoB gun.... Hard to beat a 28 round .40S&W rifle which can fold into 20" length and weighs only 4#. Small enough to easily fit in a briefcase. Though the 16" barrel gives the .40 two or three hundred extra FPS, it would be nice to see the gun chambered in a little more powerful round. Anyone ever chrony a Kel-Tec Sub 2000? How many fps are gained?

 

[Rick Blaine]

Blain,
I had assumed 9mm when talking about the Sub-2000, but .40 S&W is a good choice too because the Sub-2000 isn't made to shoot +p ammo - maybe a few, but not for regular use.

 

[Bobarino]

i'm not sure about the .40 version but the 9mm version is made to handle +P ammo. here are the ballistcs figures from the back of the manual:

115gr FMJ: 1350 fps, 430 ft/lbs at the muzzle
sights zeroed for 100yds give about 2.5 inches high at 60 yards. at 200 yards the drop is about 27 inches. about 300 ft/lbs at 100 yards, 210 ft/lbs at 200 yards.

115gr JHP +P: 1520 fps, 590 ft/lbs at the muzzle
zeroed for 100yds give about 2 inches high at 60 yards
200 yard drop is about 23 inches. about 350 ft/lbs at 100 yards and 220 ft/lbs at 200 yards.


besides, there is no +P designation for .40S&W ammo, so theoretically, any .40 ammo should be fine. the inner workings of the gun are quite beefy, including the recoil spring.

the gun folds down to 16 inches, not 20, making it even more transportable.

and they are a hoot!

Bobby

 

[Rick Blaine]

Bobarino,
I thought I remembered from the KTOG board that either Kel-Tec had backed off on the +P rating and had gone to saying only some +P use was okay, or that the members there were just having service problems with 9mm +P use. Don't want to spread bad info, so I will retract my statement until further research. Pretty sure it's there though because the discussion had to do with the fact that the Hi-Point carbine could fire +P all day long, and the Sub couldn't. Like I said, I'll check it out.