The PPK Lives Again !!!
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chicharrones
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And then the M9 came along decades later.
red rick
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And with NATO ammunition the results would have probably been the same using it in 1899 .
chicharrones
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This new PPK in .32 sure seems like a cool nostalgia shooter. Definitely cheaper than getting a very good condition old school .32 ACP PPK.
Soooo . . . why would Walther bring this back out? Will the next Bond film feature it? If so, I'd like to see a "retro" Bond film, set back in the day if you will.
Soooo . . . why would Walther bring this back out? Will the next Bond film feature it? If so, I'd like to see a "retro" Bond film, set back in the day if you will.
chicharrones
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Right. Yet, 15 rounds in the gun versus 6 might have been a bit of an equalizer.
But that's all playing alternative reality like if the Nazis won WWII.
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halfmoonclip
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Tallball, agree with you. It bears mentioning that I had a two page discussion with a guru on the Walther board; he maintained that, under just the wrong conditions, the only truly safe way to carry a PP series was hammer down, safety applied.
I no longer attempt to carry either one, but it bears remembering that older guns weren't as drop safe as current production.
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Well, maybe. NATO-spec 9s are reputedly up in what we'd consider +P territory, bunches faster than the old .38. But they are still FMJs.
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There is truth to this... I tested it with my PPK back when I first got it, using an empty shell with a live primer in it. I loaded that into the chamber, then hit the back of the gun with a rubber mallet. The gun had the hammer down, safety off. No 'pop' of the primer, but after a few whacks, I ejected the shell to inspect it, and noticed a light firing pin dent in the primer. It looked like a 556 round after chambering it in an AR-15 rifle; a very shallow but still noticeable dent. The hammer has a hammer block safety, however that's not the problem. The hammer didn't move at all, but the slide itself went back and allowed the firing pin to make contact with the blocked hammer, which punched the firing pin forward with enough force to tap the primer.
Now the real question is.... can the gun be hit hard enough for this to actually set off the primer? Or, will it be like an AR-15 and only ever lightly dent the primer, without setting it off?
I only hit mine with a rubber mallet because I don't want to destroy my gun!
For the record, I still feel comfortable carrying mine fully loaded/safety off (on the somewhat rare occasions when I carry my PPK) but that's a personal judgment call... because I believe there is potentially some inherent risk with the design.
lysanderxiii
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.32 Colt New Police, aka .32 S&W Long was a popular police chambering well into the 1920s.
lysanderxiii
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No.
Current requirements for US M882 are an 8.0 gm round nosed FMJ bullet at 385 m/s, (from an 199mm [7.85"] barrel, back it down to a 4 inch barrel about 330 m/s) with a charge of double base propellant, either WPR-280, or HPC-33 (yes, the specifications are in metric).
The German Pistolenpatrone 08 requirements were an 8.0 gm round nose FMJ at 330 m/s with a charge of .36 gm of flake double based propellant.
EDIT: US and NATO ammunition is not +P. Most people read the 1,260 fps velocity and think it is for a 4 or 5 inch barrel, it is not. And, the maximum ALLOWABLE pressure is not above standard commercial loading max. SAAMI maximum average is 35,000 psi, M882 maximum average is only 215 MPa (31,183 psi). NATO's STANAG 4090 pressure limits mirror C.I.P. limits.
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I hear the naysayers, I really do.
Now uh, where can we find one...just to point and laugh at...not to pick up, not to put on layaway, no! Of course not.
All parameters must be maximized for a gun to be carry worthy- weight (better be polymer), capacity (better br 10+), caliber (under 9mm, you're taking your life into your hands). If it isn't cut for an optic, does it even exist? If it does have old fashioned sights, they must be replaceable and shine with the radioactive fury of a trillion angry isotopes. Drawing the gun will irradiate one's enemies far before your torrent of nonstop boutique ammo does the job.
Now uh, where can we find one...just to point and laugh at...not to pick up, not to put on layaway, no! Of course not.
All parameters must be maximized for a gun to be carry worthy- weight (better be polymer), capacity (better br 10+), caliber (under 9mm, you're taking your life into your hands). If it isn't cut for an optic, does it even exist? If it does have old fashioned sights, they must be replaceable and shine with the radioactive fury of a trillion angry isotopes. Drawing the gun will irradiate one's enemies far before your torrent of nonstop boutique ammo does the job.
dieselchief
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all the talk of whether it is a good carry option> who cares. all of you probably have a half dozen of carry guns already.
....I WANT A JAMES BOND GUN. just saying. lol.
....I WANT A JAMES BOND GUN. just saying. lol.
For me, I'm over the Bond thing. The only fictional secret agent that carries a stainless ppk in 32 that I'm aware of is Sterling Archer (and possibly Austin Powers, though I think that was a 380!).
What I want is the ppk in its original chambering of 32acp, because they marry together so well. I had an interarms ranger ppk32 and I miss it. It was a ball to shoot, and ball is all I'd ever run in it!
I carried it at times. It carried well. I've said it many times, but no other platform/ cartridge was worked as effectively in my hands for point shooting. That to me means it might actually be good for personal self defense.
To be able to look and just snap off rounds and put them through the throat or pelvis on command really made me feel very comfortable with that gun and that round. 32 fmj gets plenty of penetration. I think mine had 8 in the mag. Plenty for a small personal defense gun.
Single action revolvers are pretty good at point shooting, but that ppk in 32 was something else...
The polymer doublestacks and high bore axis guns are pretty counter intuitive for this type of shooting.
I think with some practice I could get there with a model 10 pencil barrel.
"To be able to look and just snap off rounds and put them through the throat or pelvis on command really made me feel very comfortable with that gun and that round. 32 fmj gets plenty of penetration. I think mine had 8 in the mag. Plenty for a small personal defense gun."
I should clarify...this was on a to-scale paper target of a human. I think it showed the major organs and structure beneath the image and the badguy had a gun or knife or something. This was way back in 2017 so it's a bit fuzzy.
I should clarify...this was on a to-scale paper target of a human. I think it showed the major organs and structure beneath the image and the badguy had a gun or knife or something. This was way back in 2017 so it's a bit fuzzy.
Pistolay
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They're here. A few places started showing up on AmmoSeek last night. I called my LGS this morning, and their distributer had just one, and I got it. I hope to have it here next week.
Nasty Canasta
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I have a PP in .32 that was made in May 1945 around the same time the Walther factory was seized by the Russian Army & the only stampings on it are the proof & matching serial numbers on the frame/barrel-no caliber designation/model/banner, only the magazines have the caliber stamped on them. It's a great little shooter compared to Mrs' new Arkansas version in 380 that is no fun to rack & punishing to shoot but she still likes it.
Pistolay
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Nope. Paid $899. Guns.com has them for $917.99.
EDIT: FYI, when I called my LGS yesterday, they had no clue, but they gave me the names of their two distributers. I checked them both last night, and one had it. Called the LGS again this morning and gave them the UPC from the distributer's website, and they were able to find it and snag it for me. It's worth a shot.
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Speedo66
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With AI, they can probably even bring Sean Connery back.
I had two W. German Interarms PPK/S in .380, sold them both. Too snappy, with a taste for blood, mine.
