Another thread got me thinking and now I would like to compile some current thoughts on FFP mil-hash reticles and then come back in a few years and see if my thinking has changed.
This is the Mil-scale MPR reticle I have in my USO SN3 TPAL 3.2-17x44, which I have been using for 3 or 4 years on an SR25. Generally
++ it is fairly thin so it doesn't obscure the target at 17x magnification, but when it gets very small at 3x the wide hashes make it appear almost to my eyes as a thick crosshair which makes it easy to find, though it is hard to use the hashes
++ it has .5 and .2 mil hashes across the whole reticle instead of just at the edges which means you don't have to point the gun so far away from the target to mil it
+ the width of the hashes is appropriate for common wind holds, with .15, .25 and .5 mil measured from center
+ it's labeled so I don't have to count how many hashes down, which can be difficult while you're bouncing around
+ the entire reticle is illuminated so you can hold over at night
- 10 mils up is a LOT of hold, considering 6.4 mils gets me to 1000 yrds. not complaining about that, but i would rather see the reticle go farther left and right instead. not for wind obviously, but for communication in talking team mates onto targets. The TA31F-RCO ACOG reticle has this very useful feature with a long horizontal line with hashes every 10 mils or so
- the lowest illumination setting on the reticle is too bright. rumor has it, this can be adjusted somehow, but i haven't tried it
- no wind or mover hold points more than .5 mils
I really don't have much bad to say about this reticle. It is probably my favorite. If you wanted a slightly less cluttered one, you could go with the Mil-scale GAP
This is the S&B P4 Fine reticle that I've been using in my PMII 5-25x56. At the time of purchase, S&B had a disappointing choice of 4 reticles, including a thicker version of the same reticle. I think they have some better ones now.
++ the thickness of the reticle is good and easy to use at low magnification, but i have problems milling sometimes because the lines are a bit thick
++ it is not cluttered at all with unused distractions
+ the brightness settings on the illumination are just right
+ the width of the hashes is useful for wind, with 1/4, 1/2 and a 1 mil hash from the center post... guess S&B engineers shoot in higher winds or use slower bullets than USO
- it's not labeled, so if I take my eyes off the target for an instant, I have to count down the hashes again to make sure I'm on the right one
- the fine .2 mil hashes are only on the edges of the reticle, which means you have to shift out of position to mil a target. this is a real PITA when shooting unsupported (e.g. sitting)
- only the center crosshair is illuminated, which means you can't hold over in the dark, which is exactly what you'd want to do in the dark since it is unlikely you could see the knobs and would have to count a lot of clicks
- ok so there is one unused distraction: the ranging marks at the bottom should be labeled and are not well explained (see esheatos thread in accessories) and it disappears from view once you get over 15x or so iirc
- again it would be nice to see a tool for rough measurement of 10, 20, 30 mils horizontally like the ACOG but not if they're going to put the .2 fine hashes even farther from the center
The Premier Gen2XR, which I don't own and have very limited actual experience with... However, I suspect I think
++ wind holds farther from center, though I think it is a bit much. I've never come close to putting 3.5 mils of wind on a gun. doubt i would even take that shot
++ i think illuminating only the useful portion of the reticle makes a lot of sense. You need the hashes and 4 windage dots for holding, but you don't need to illuminate the thick posts at the edges, or every windage + which just puts too much light in the scope and obscures the targets
i can't really speak to the thickness, etc
-- again unlabeled and seemingly even more difficult to count down the hashes due to the way they skip some of the lines and alternate + and hashes. it would take some getting used to
- precision milling with this would be quite difficult since they only give you .5 mil hashes. it's probably good enough for ipsc silhouettes inside 600 yrds but it won't do you any good in the deranged matches around here where you have to mil 2", 4", 6" pieces of steel, etc
Nightforce has some pretty nutty ideas (click on the thumbnails), but i'd be interested in hearing the thoughts from people who might like these... I don't own either of them obviously, though I do have a few NF scopes.
++ labeled, and they sure do need it on the 2nd one
++ they have the horizontal measure I've been looking for on the 2nd reticle but i think it's in MOA instead of MILs, (doesn't really matter)
-- too busy or not busy enough
- illuminating a single dot, though illuminating 6 dots (every 2nd MOA?) isn't bad on the H58
Horus 37
uhh, guys, it's a reticle, not graph paper
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what do you think about the reticles you've used?
This is the Mil-scale MPR reticle I have in my USO SN3 TPAL 3.2-17x44, which I have been using for 3 or 4 years on an SR25. Generally
++ it is fairly thin so it doesn't obscure the target at 17x magnification, but when it gets very small at 3x the wide hashes make it appear almost to my eyes as a thick crosshair which makes it easy to find, though it is hard to use the hashes
++ it has .5 and .2 mil hashes across the whole reticle instead of just at the edges which means you don't have to point the gun so far away from the target to mil it
+ the width of the hashes is appropriate for common wind holds, with .15, .25 and .5 mil measured from center
+ it's labeled so I don't have to count how many hashes down, which can be difficult while you're bouncing around
+ the entire reticle is illuminated so you can hold over at night
- 10 mils up is a LOT of hold, considering 6.4 mils gets me to 1000 yrds. not complaining about that, but i would rather see the reticle go farther left and right instead. not for wind obviously, but for communication in talking team mates onto targets. The TA31F-RCO ACOG reticle has this very useful feature with a long horizontal line with hashes every 10 mils or so
- the lowest illumination setting on the reticle is too bright. rumor has it, this can be adjusted somehow, but i haven't tried it
- no wind or mover hold points more than .5 mils
I really don't have much bad to say about this reticle. It is probably my favorite. If you wanted a slightly less cluttered one, you could go with the Mil-scale GAP
This is the S&B P4 Fine reticle that I've been using in my PMII 5-25x56. At the time of purchase, S&B had a disappointing choice of 4 reticles, including a thicker version of the same reticle. I think they have some better ones now.
++ the thickness of the reticle is good and easy to use at low magnification, but i have problems milling sometimes because the lines are a bit thick
++ it is not cluttered at all with unused distractions
+ the brightness settings on the illumination are just right
+ the width of the hashes is useful for wind, with 1/4, 1/2 and a 1 mil hash from the center post... guess S&B engineers shoot in higher winds or use slower bullets than USO
- it's not labeled, so if I take my eyes off the target for an instant, I have to count down the hashes again to make sure I'm on the right one
- the fine .2 mil hashes are only on the edges of the reticle, which means you have to shift out of position to mil a target. this is a real PITA when shooting unsupported (e.g. sitting)
- only the center crosshair is illuminated, which means you can't hold over in the dark, which is exactly what you'd want to do in the dark since it is unlikely you could see the knobs and would have to count a lot of clicks
- ok so there is one unused distraction: the ranging marks at the bottom should be labeled and are not well explained (see esheatos thread in accessories) and it disappears from view once you get over 15x or so iirc
- again it would be nice to see a tool for rough measurement of 10, 20, 30 mils horizontally like the ACOG but not if they're going to put the .2 fine hashes even farther from the center
The Premier Gen2XR, which I don't own and have very limited actual experience with... However, I suspect I think
++ wind holds farther from center, though I think it is a bit much. I've never come close to putting 3.5 mils of wind on a gun. doubt i would even take that shot
++ i think illuminating only the useful portion of the reticle makes a lot of sense. You need the hashes and 4 windage dots for holding, but you don't need to illuminate the thick posts at the edges, or every windage + which just puts too much light in the scope and obscures the targets
i can't really speak to the thickness, etc
-- again unlabeled and seemingly even more difficult to count down the hashes due to the way they skip some of the lines and alternate + and hashes. it would take some getting used to
- precision milling with this would be quite difficult since they only give you .5 mil hashes. it's probably good enough for ipsc silhouettes inside 600 yrds but it won't do you any good in the deranged matches around here where you have to mil 2", 4", 6" pieces of steel, etc
Nightforce has some pretty nutty ideas (click on the thumbnails), but i'd be interested in hearing the thoughts from people who might like these... I don't own either of them obviously, though I do have a few NF scopes.
++ labeled, and they sure do need it on the 2nd one
++ they have the horizontal measure I've been looking for on the 2nd reticle but i think it's in MOA instead of MILs, (doesn't really matter)
-- too busy or not busy enough
- illuminating a single dot, though illuminating 6 dots (every 2nd MOA?) isn't bad on the H58
Horus 37
uhh, guys, it's a reticle, not graph paper
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what do you think about the reticles you've used?
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