Today in the Examiner - D.C. gun case attracts gun lovers from Ohio

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This was in the DC Examiner paper today. What do you think?

D.C. gun case attracts gun lovers from Ohio

Harry Jaffe, The Examiner
2008-02-20 08:00:00.0
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The Supreme Court’s impending review of the District of Columbia’s gun-control laws promises to be historic in many ways. It will be the first time in 70 years that the nation’s highest court will sit in judgment to parse the words in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Will the court side with the National Rifle Association and most gun-rights groups that argue the Second Amendment grants an individual the right to bear arms?

Will the judges agree with D.C., a handful of states, and the U.S. solicitor general that states have the right to regulate gun ownership, down to D.C.’s restrictive laws that essentially ban handguns?

More than 50 groups filed “amicus” briefs, which are legal arguments in support of one side or another. I have read quite a few. Most were legalistic and statistical in nature; the one that caught my eye was an indictment not of D.C.’s gun laws but of the city’s police department.

It’s a curious legal document for a number of reasons. This brief comes from citizens of Ohio who neither live in D.C. nor do business in our fair town. Yet they purport to know what’s best for us.

The document names two interest groups: first, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to defending “the rights of Ohio citizens to use firearms for all legal activities.” Second, the National Council for Investigations and Security Services, a trade group for private security agencies.

Their argument is simple: Because the Metropolitan Police Department has failed to protect residents, the city has no right to ban handguns. Furthermore, they expand the language of the Second Amendment that “must be interpreted as an individual right to keep and bear firearms for defense of self and others.”

It’s the “defense of self and others” that goes beyond the Second Amendment.

And it’s their hyperbolic indictment of the police that undercuts their basic argument.

Before all the camo-clad, gun-crazed zealots train a red dot on my forehead, allow me to explain that I am a card-carrying NRA member; and I am a frequent critic of the local cops.

The brief states: D.C.’s police force “has failed to provide adequate police services to the District of Columbia citizens.”

Agreed, in part. Like most big cities, more than half of D.C. is safe and safely patrolled. Parts are controlled by thugs.

The Ohio folks further state that the MPD displays “corruption, incompetence and outright misfeasance in the operation of the department.”

Agreed, in past tense. The Ohio group relies mostly on decades-old events. “Cronyism,” it says, “thy name is Marion Barry.” Barry has not been mayor since 1996.

If the private security firms have a beef with how the city regulates them, they should take that up with the D.C. Council, not the Supreme Court.

And if the Ohio folks ask locals — or cops — if lifting the gun ban would make their lives more safe, they would hear most say no.

What happens in Ohio should stay in Ohio.
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he is entitled to his opinion.

it seems pretty clear that one of the underlying, yet unstated reasons for the RTKBA is indeed for self-defense and defense of your property and loved ones.

as for his claim
And if the Ohio folks ask locals — or cops — if lifting the gun ban would make their lives more safe, they would hear most say no.
So what. A fundamental right is not subject to being denied by popular vote nor by police preference. Thats kind of the point about fundamental rights.

I left a comment to that effect.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1230734~D_C__gun_case_attracts_gun_lovers_from_Ohio.html#articleComments
 
What he's basically saying is that Ohio gun rights people should not express their opinions on this.

Based on my reading of this article, he is portraying the DC gun ban case, that is to be heard in the supreme court, to be a DC issue and he says it does not concern Ohio people.
 
I love it! "more than half of DC is safe"!!!!

hahahahahahaha what is he thinking? how could he possibly claim that the citizens -or police- of dc being aske about gun bans could be relevant? especially after stating that only half the city is 'safe and safely patrolled'? if my town was forty percent gang warzone I'd be packing much heavier than any patrol car, this guy is ridiculous.

'I'm a card-carrying nra member' and he acts like arms and right-to-life is not something that the citizen has.
 
Ohio should mind its business??? This is a federal case being heard in a federal court over a matter pertaining to the U.S. Constitution.

Sounds like it is the business of every state, city, county, and territory.

And yes, the half of the city is safe comment was hysterical. How reassuring for those who live in the bad half.
 
Bias abounds:
D.C. gun case attracts gun lovers from Ohio
Why not say "freedom lovers"?
Will the court side with the National Rifle Association and most gun-rights groups that argue the Second Amendment grants an individual the right to bear arms?
A significant mischaracterization.
It’s the “defense of self and others” that goes beyond the Second Amendment.
Careful there. You're position supports private ownership of machine guns and other "military" arms.
Before all the camo-clad, gun-crazed zealots train a red dot on my forehead,
Name calling? Not very mature of you.
allow me to explain that I am a card-carrying NRA member; and I am a frequent critic of the local cops.
Just like Michael Moore, right? What is the purpose of mentioning this? Does it provide you with an excuse for your bigotry (like "I have friends who are black!")? Are we supposed to give you some deference for this? This statement has as much relevance as "I'm a hunter."
What happens in Ohio should stay in Ohio.
So, then the same could be said for laws that the Supreme Court found to violate the "right of privacy" a few decades ago? Didn't think so.
 
The restriction of firearms in the DC area boils down to this. Thugs, drugs and violence. You cannot look logic in the eye and disput it. The inner issue at hand is thugs, drugs and violence.
You can shake it, bake it and call it any name you like. This is what it turned into. Citizens with useless firearm laws, crippling their own protection against thugs, drugs and violence.
Addicted drug abusers need money rob the defenseless, and in DC you are practically considered defenseless if your gun has to be in a safe. Has to be locked.
Where ever there are thugs, drugs and violence you run into difficulty carrying concealed legally. Firearm laws are not protecting you for the most part.
I certainly hope that this 2nd amendment turns out in favor for the citizen to protect him or herself in this country.
 
Tell this jerk the first amendment doesn't apply to him because he's in DC and the first and all other amendments only apply to residents of the United States and DC isn't in one of the "united states". See how that shoe fits.
 
Quote: "Because the Metropolitan Police Department has failed to protect residents, the city has no right to ban handguns."

That seems to make sense to me; if the police can't/won't protect me at least acknowledge my right to protect myself.
 
The document names two interest groups: first, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to defending “the rights of Ohio citizens to use firearms for all legal activities.”

Excellent! We're making the news again!:D And, he obviously checked out our website. Double good!

http://www.BuckeyeFirearms.org

Before all the camo-clad, gun-crazed zealots train a red dot on my forehead,

OK, I resent this part. I have never worn camo, I don't own a red dot scope or laser sight, and I prefer to be called a gun nut, not a gun-crazed zealot. What the heck?:cuss: But I am pretty darn good with my .45!

What happens in Ohio should stay in Ohio.

Well not so fast bucko, not if it involves the US Supreme Court, then I believe it involves our entire country.:neener:

:banghead:
 
I'd have to chime in and say that it better be all or none. If you are going to kill a society you better do it right.

If guns are banned, they better be banned from the police, the military, and everyone else in between. Then I'll finally get to put my sword collection to use :)
 
Then I'll finally get to put my sword collection to use

Don't count on it. See: England. They'll just ban those when the first gun-less homicidal maniac hacks his way out of a crowded elevator.

I'm starting to love Ohio, I think. I'd trade a few areas to Indiana, but for the most part, Ohio's great. Global warming might be ruining the rest of the country, but Ohio's weather seems to be better. I think I'll hold off changing my piston rings a little longer. :evil:

In any case, for any mere reporter/writer to say my opinion doesn't matter in a federal case.... Eeh....what I have to say isn't very high road. I think we should remove any and all constitutional coverage provided to DC, and we'll see how long it'll take for them to realize the error of their arrogance.
 
<<Linda
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What happens in Ohio should stay in Ohio.
Well not so fast bucko, not if it involves the US Supreme Court, then I believe it involves our entire country.>>

Yep. Linda, you are right on. This is being read by the US Supreme Court. That makes it a issue for the entire United States of America.

<<Henry Bowman Bias abounds:
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What happens in Ohio should stay in Ohio.
So, then the same could be said for laws that the Supreme Court found to violate the "right of privacy" a few decades ago? Didn't think so.>>

Ohio people havve every right to be heard about this issue as DC residents. It's about the interpretation of the second amendment and it is a battle of state's rights versus federal rights...Funny thing is, DC is not even a state, therefore they have no representation and what DC'ers think about this should not influence the Supreme Court's decision!


<<strat81 Ohio should mind its business??? This is a federal case being heard in a federal court over a matter pertaining to the U.S. Constitution.

Sounds like it is the business of every state, city, county, and territory.

And yes, the half of the city is safe comment was hysterical. How reassuring for those who live in the bad half.>>

Exactly right! this is a FEDERAL case pertaining to the US Constitution!
 
You folks give this....person way too much credit. I mean really, what is he, a second rate reporter on a third string rag ? All you have to do is go over his position on any of the points he's made, and you can see he's just another idiot with an opinion.
 
Writing without paragraph structure is bad form, not to mention starting several sentences with a conjunction ("and", "yet"). The author doesn't convey the impression he's well-informed, and his writing is similar to USAToday garbage. If this is typical of the "DC Examiner" it's not worth the effort to read.
 
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