Today is WI CCW in the Senate

[AJ Dual]

The house is already veto-proof, the senate is likely +/- one senator for veto-proof and where the battle is now.

If it passes the senate veto-proof, the battle will be to keep it that way on the veto override vote. I worry 1-2 senators voted for CCW just to strong-arm the gov into a favor when the override vote comes up and then they'll flip.

Here, this is for Monkeyleg. He and the others who could get away to go to the statehouse in Madison today could probably use it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for MO as well, the court date is today.

 

[litman252]

I called my Rep today, Sen Robson. She planned on voting against it. Her (assistant) response was that Wi.'s crime is not high enough to validate it. I asked why not make a good crime rate great, not much to say.........


Tony

 

[xenophon]

Too bad they had to take up business left on the calendar from Wednesday. I swear half of the debate today was about the antics that took place wednesday, with Sen. Moore demanding "respect" lol. 9:43pm CST the WI Senate stands in recess until 7am on 10/24, where they will take up SB214, the CCW bill for WI. Hopefully they won't have anymore BS and get on with business. It's cool that they are going to be in session on friday, since the calendar was set for Nov 3rd for next session. Of course, one of the Democrats tried to postpone sb214 until nov 3rd. Friday 10/24 will be our day.

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[CasualShooter]

Her (assistant) response was that Wi.'s crime is not high enough to validate it.

??What happened to the usual response of that crowd? "If it will save but only ONE Life ..."

Go, Wisconsin!!

 

[Standing Wolf]

She planned on voting against it. Her (assistant) response was that Wi.'s crime is not high enough to validate it.

Your elected misrepresentative needs to be fired.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Here's the long story, for those with the stomach to read it.

Last night, the state senate began debate on the school choice bill for Milwaukee. This is one of Senator Gwendolynne Moore's pet projects, since the more inner-city kids who get to opt for better schools, the less she has to bitch about.

The agreement, as is usual, was that once a bill hits the floor, all amendments that senators want to add have been added. Well, not for Senator Moore. She added another, and took up about three hours time in debating anyone who questioned her amendment. When the president pro tem of the senate called for a roll call of votes, she shouted that she wasn't done speaking (after three hours). The senate president called for a roll call vote, which the senate clerk began to read. Another Milwaukee Democrat, Senator Tim Carpenter, grabbed the clerk's microphone and ran with it back to the rear of the chamber.

The president pro tem ordered the senate sergeant-at-arms to have Senator Moore removed, and then even more hell broke loose. At one point the Capitol Police were called to restore order. The two parties went back into caucus to try to figure out how to make this appear like sensible conduct. The two were told to give apologies, but neither rose to the level of apology. The activities of the two senators was expunged from the senate record, so that their juvenile activity can't be exposed to the public later on.

This morning's session was supposed to be devoted to bills at hand, including the concealed carry bill, but instead leadership from both parties spent the day hashing out how to keep their members from shrieking for hours on end and grabbing microphones and having to have police called to restrain them.

And they tell us that CCW permit holders would be a danger to society.

Now, the senate is supposed to take up the concealed carry bill after a two-day delay. Senator Zien was promised by Democrat leadership that, if all amendments were hashed out in the Joint Finance Committee, there would be no additional stalling amendments introduced during the floor session.

If anyone buys that promise, I've got a bunch of 99% factory-engraved first generation Colt SAA's that I'm willing to sell for $500 each.

 

[CasualShooter]

Sounds like these antics could be designed to DELAY the vote on CCW. Not an unusual tactic when the antis think they might lose ... and even after they have already lost ... as they have in Missouri. :banghead:

 

[Shooter 2.5]

I was told they were supposed to start at 7:00 AM Friday which is now. They have a headline that the Senate hasn't started because of Caucuses.

I have no idea if they're even going to meet this morning.

I feel sorry for all the CCW supporters who had to leave work for the last couple of days to only have this delayed any further.

Good luck everyone. Keep a long memory of this for election day.

 

[AJ Dual]

What do we need to be veto-proof (presumably 66% supermajority) in the Senate, 22?

Gawd, I'm going to be useless all day until this is over..

 

[cracked butt]

Gee, Democrats acting like spoiled little children while in session? That can't be.

 

[Fulliautomatix]

Any news from the front?

 

[Shooter 2.5]

The Senate passed it 24-8

Yay NRA and the Wisconsin Concealed Weapons Association!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blackhawk]

24-8. I guess 75% in favor makes it veto proof in the senate as well.

 

[xenophon]

Yes it passed!!!! 24-8, oh yes, I do believe that is veto proof. I just hope we can retain those Democrats that came to our side. I'm gonna write/call those Democrats and show them my thanks. I got up at 7am today to listen and after only about 30 minutes, they went to caucus till 11:45am or so, and debated all afternoon till about 5:45pm where the bill passed. Sen. Zien was awesome!! There were around 56 amendments to debate on the bill, mainly by Democrats, and they all failed except for a few. See:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/insession/senate/index.htm

if you want the nitty gritty on who voted for what and what was on the table for SB214.

Keep up the pressure guys, even you out-of-staters!

Wisconsin Senate Roll Call
2003-2004 SESSION


SB 214
PASSAGE




AYES - 24
BRESKE
BROWN
COWLES
DARLING
DECKER
ELLIS
FITZGERALD
HARSDORF
KANAVAS
KEDZIE
LASEE
LASSA
LAZICH
LEIBHAM
MEYER
PANZER
PLALE
REYNOLDS
ROESSLER
SCHULTZ
STEPP
WELCH
WIRCH
ZIEN


NAYS - 8
CARPENTER
CHVALA
ERPENBACH
HANSEN
JAUCH
MOORE
RISSER
ROBSON


NOT VOTING - 1
GEORGE

SEQUENCE NO. 297
Friday, October 24, 2003
5:44 PM

 

[CasualShooter]

Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!!!!!! Wisconsin!! Greaaaat!!!
Stay on it! -- Don't let up!

Now's the time to put pressure on the governor to either sign it or let it become law without signature.

Oh! Don't forget to thank your State Senators and Representitives -- You need them to stay committed and prepared to override if need be.

 

[litman252]

I can't thank mine She has already heard from me that I am dissapointed in Her.

Even the Rock county sherif wants to keep CCW out of this county. He is not going to issue permits. By the law ( I believe) he has to recognize the permits and we will have to go to another county to get them. :banghead:

Tony

 

[AJ Dual]

Well...



Oh, did I mention..




Now let's just hope that a bunch of them didn't vote for it just to bend Doyle over for favors when it's time to override the veto.

Cool, cool, cool...

It sounds dumb, but it'll be a mental change for me. Time to stop mentally dismissing CCW as "something they have elsewhere".

 

[Monkeyleg]

Tony, this has been just one part of a well-planned effort.

Years back, Wisconsin passed pre-emption legislation so that municipalities cannot enact gun control ordinances more strict than state law. Then we got the RKBA amendment, among other pieces of legislation.

So... Along comes the case of state vs. Munir Hamdan, challenging the ban on concealed carry. The court has to rule according to the RKBA amendment, and we get a somewhat favorable ruling, along with a strong suggestion that the legislature enact a permit system.

We're almost there.

Once we get the permit system, the Rock County sheriff can huff and puff and refuse to issue permits. So? Permit applicants will go to another county, and the Rock County sheriff will lose out on tens of thousands of dollars in revenue. And the permit holders will still be able to carry in Rock County. Why?

The state pre-emption legislation.

Message to the anti's: