Today's "protest" at Chuck's in Riverdale, IL

[Autolycus]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=272973&highlight=hung+pennsylvania


Could it not be said that he would snuff him out like a candle and make him worthless? Or that they would snuff him out like a rat? I dont agree with the priest but I dont think I would take lowball tactics like purposefully misunderstanding his words and trying to make a bigger deal than it is.

Answer me this, the priest has some deniability in what he meant but the people in the above thread support one Pro-gun guys death threat? Hypocrisy is rampant when it comes to some of us, isn't it?

 

[Doggy Daddy]

Tecumseh

Answer me this, the priest has some deniability in what he meant but the people in the above thread support one Pro-gun guys death threat? Hypocrisy is rampant when it comes to some of us, isn't it?

1) Why are you so invested in defending these "attention-whores"?

2) It is not generally a good argument to defend someone by saying "but they did it too".

3) Misdirection, mirrors, and straw men. Calling others "hypocrites", whether wrongly or rightly, is also an ineffective defense of your "priest" and/or "reverend".

 

[Prince Yamato]

Tecumseh,

You are most likely correct. No the priest is NOT going to kill the gunshop owner. His choice of words, however, are very poor. He's claiming that the gunstore owners promote death and violence, then he himself is promoting active violence (snuff is not a passive adjective) against the gunshop owner. It's one thing if he said he's going to kill (or snuff) the 2A, but the noun he used was the gunshop owner's name.

 

[Deanimator]

Could it not be said that he would snuff him out like a candle and make him worthless? Or that they would snuff him out like a rat? I dont agree with the priest but I dont think I would take lowball tactics like purposefully misunderstanding his words and trying to make a bigger deal than it is.

As a famous oxycontin user once said, "Words mean things."

All of the tap dancing, shucking and jiving, and handwaving in the world isn't going to change the COMMON meaning of the word "snuff" when applied to another human being. Not only is to "kill" or "eliminate" the REAL meaning in that context, it's meant that for a VERY long time. In FACT, I believe "Military History Quarterly" magazine once quoted Andrew Jackson as having instructed a sharpshooter to KILL a high ranking British officer advancing with his troops with the command, "Snuff his candle".

Pfleger's not just an unstable nutcase for instructing a bunch of idiots to murder someone; or a liar and a coward for denying what he said; he's also a racist for tirelessly seeking to infantilize and diminish Black people by treating them as mentally incompetent to own firearms. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between him and Senator(?) Bilbo, who during WWII tried to bar Blacks from serving in the military.

 

[DonP]

Tecumseh: "I have heard the term used to "find" people."

I would love to see an example or two of the term "snuff out" used in that context. The Chicago Tribune nor the Sun Times were able to find any.

It's a free country and if you want to be an apologist for this preening excuse for a self-absorbed clergyman it's your right ... unless he decides it's not anymore. You see Pfleger has also decided he gets to decide what you can advertise or what you can sell publicly too and even who can purchase property in his parish as well.

The Chicago facts:

Pfleger comes from a neighborhood and a parish (St. Sabinas) that is immersed in gang and drug violence. He has made himself the sole arbiter of what is and isn't fair and reasonable in terms of free speech, gun rights and just about every other issue he can find that will get him news time. He has vandalized billboards for products he doesn't approve of and refused to pay fines for the property he destroyed.

So far he has twice refused reassignment to another parish by the Chicago archdiocese, so much for the Poverty, Chastity and Obedience vows he made.

I just want one newsperson, on camera, to go up to him and ask him for the names of the gang members in his own parish or to ask him why he hasn't called for his parishoners to name names and turn in their family members that are involved in gang activities.

A sad part of the African American, and to a slightly lesser degree, the Hispanic Communities, in Chicago and other cities, is the "Don't talk to the police" rule and never turn in a family member.

It's so ubiqutous that last month a grandmother on the South Side saw her own grandson involved in a bank robbery on the evening news and when she turned him in it made the front page. Doing the right thing should not be front page news.

Of course she was immediately harassed by neigbors for turning in a family member, even one that shot and killed an African American bank teller on security camera footage, and had to move out of the neighborhood.

But it's easier to pick on a gun store than face the dirt in your own backyard. No glory or news coverage in doing that.

Besides, making new rules that stop a target shooter at the Kankakee rifle range from using a semi-automatic rifle will somehow have a profound impact on crime in his community, I'm sure.

 

[buzz_knox]

I've seen "snuff out" used in the context of searching for someone or something.

However, we need to remember that the priest's first advocacy of violence was for the crowd to pull the shop owner out and then snuff him. In that context, the word can only mean to murder the shop owner.

 

[Deanimator]

A sad part of the African American, and to a slightly lesser degree, the Hispanic Communities, in Chicago and other cities, is the "Don't talk to the police" rule and never turn in a family member.

While in most cases I despise the "stop snitching" morons, having as little to do with the Chicago PD as possible is usually a GOOD policy. Here's one example why: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5013058&ft=lg

 

[freakazoid]

I've seen "snuff out" used in the context of searching for someone or something.

I've seen "sniff out" but never "snuff out" used to mean to search for someone or something.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Catholic Priest Michael Pfleger during a May 26th 2007 "protest" outside Chuck's Gun Shop in Riverdale ILHe's the owner of Chuck’s, John Riggio, R-i-g-g-i-o. We're going to find you and snuff you out. You can't keep hiding because you're afraid. Obviously, you know you're doing something wrong. You wouldn't have your business in a truck. You wouldn't have a truck pulled in front of your door, because you know you've got to hide. Like a rat, you're going to hide, but like a rat we're going to catch you and pull you out. We are not going to allow you to continue to hide when we're here.

If John Riggio has not done anything wrong, Pfleger has publicly defamed
him and incited a crowd to catch him and pull him out like a rat.
Problem I have with reading "snuff out" as searching for someone is
the sentence quoted above from the transcript of the video would
mean: "We're going to find you and search for you." I mean, if someone
has found you, would they need to search any further? Given the
meaning for "snuff out" as in kill, this is creepifying rhetoric for a holy
man. "We're going to find you and put your lights out" is a more logical
reading. Not that I credit Pfleger with logic.

I have posted before: one should think before speaking or writing
in public, because anything you say will be taken out of context
and used against you in the court of public opinion.

 

[gunsmith]

Tecumseh

Normally, I disagree with you but respect your argument, but your defense of "snuff" is absurd.

You can "sniff" out the truth, but a "snuff" movie is one in which some one is killed.
Saying you are going to "snuff" some one is clearly a death threat.
BobCav also points out that the Priest is going against catechism.
I pointed out that Jackson is for baby killing, many black Christians point out that abortion has snuffed out many black babies.
The "Priest" is a Judas and deserves the boot.

Please Tecumseh, please don't get all wr4ma or mercedesrules on us.
We need intelligent debate not "rainbow coalition" talking points!

 

[scurtis_34471]

So far, the national press seems to be ignoring this ridiculous protest.

 

[SoCalShooter]

I see two crooks lined up for more crooked-ness.

 

[MikePGS]

The only comments i have for this aren't very high road. Glad to see some pro 2A people out there though

 

[bogie]

This is not an Activism topic. Activism is for arranging activism.

Mocking political attention-whores is for Legal & Political.

Actually, it's an opportunity for arranging activism. You guys are a little too tightly wrapped. Don't just think outside the box. Reinvent the box.

What we need is an opposing protest, with signs, bullhorns, etc.

"Ban Racist Gun Laws!"

Betcha that'd get noticed.

 

[Phaetos]

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