Total ban fails to stop Chinese gun (Illegal) trade

[Palehorseman]

40 million illegal guns held by civilians in China. And the commies can and do give the death penalty for illegal gun trafficking.


"In 2007, a study by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies estimated the total number of guns held by civilians in China at 40 million, third only to the United States and India.""

Full article at: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/total-ban-fails-to-stop-chinese-gun-trade

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

There is a Chinese girl that we once in awhile send emails to each other and she said she knows people that own guns in China. Maybe its just a matter of time before a revolution?

 

[CWL]

Nah, no revolution is going to happen in China. If you aren't aware, China is a bigger Capitalist nation than the USA. Real income has grown year on year and will continue to do so.

Yes, I know what I'm talking about, I've been traveling there for over 25 years and have seen the development of China from a 3rd world country to the second biggest trading nation in the world (only after the USA).

If you want to know what the Chinese are pissed about, it is 100 years of colonialism by the Europeans, Japan and the USA.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Bah! Well I was hoping.

 

[Palehorseman]

Nah, no revolution is going to happen in China. If you aren't aware, China is a bigger Capitalist nation than the USA. Real income has grown year on year and will continue to do so.

Odd, I read where civil unrest is now at an all time high in China. A full belly and a little freedom can be dangerous things for repressive regimes.



As China develops, the number of public demonstrations by disgruntled citizens has increased massively over the past few years. According to the Chinese government’s Ministry of Public Security, 87,000 “public order disturbances” were reported in 2005, up from 74,000 in 2004 and 58,000 in 2003.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=379#9

 

[TexasBill]

Don't forget you have two Chinas: a relatively affluent urban population concentrated in a few regions and a poverty-stricken rural population that exists by subsistence farming, fishing and work on government projects where many die in accidents every year. Chinese workers will travel hundreds of miles to get a decent job working in a factory for long hours at what we would consider to be low pay (although pay is increasing every year).

Both of these groups pose problems for the central government. The wealthy are embracing capitalism and the poor are tired of what passes for Communism.

 

[W L Johnson]

If you want to know what the Chinese are pissed about, it is 100 years of colonialism by the Europeans, Japan and the USA

funny, after having Chinese in half my family for over 15 years now and traveled there myself, I have never detected any hatred for Americans or Europeans. in fact it seemed to be the opposite. The government seems to be one drumming up the haltered message, the common people, by and large don't seem to follow that line. Japanese, that's another matter, my wife when she worked in a restaurant would refuse to wait on Japanese customers.

But to keep this gun related, most Chinese I have interacted with seem to have a very real fear of guns. Worst than most of the worst here. But in their defense I think it's more of a fear of the unknown.

 

[Guns and more]

If you aren't aware, China is a bigger Capitalist nation than the USA.

No, I wasn't. China looks like a capitalist nation, but never forget they are ruled by the Red Chinese Army.

If you want to know what the Chinese are pissed about, it is 100 years of colonialism by the Europeans, Japan and the USA.

Yeah. That seems to be the mantra of every country that has gotten rich taking our money.
I guess those 40 million illegal guns are to repel the American tourists!

 

[dmancornell]

Civil unrest in China is fueled by economics and demographics.

Economically, the affluent east coast will continue to get richer while the interior of the country lags behind. In addition, an oversupply of labor guarantees high unemployment (unofficially the rate is close to 20%, but the CCP will never admit it).

Demographically, the male-female imbalance, fueled by government birthing policies, will always ensure an abundance of pissed off, unemployed young males for the next two decades.

All the nationalistic messages purveyed by the CCP is to distract the population from these trends... the space program, the Beijing games, anti-Japanese/Taiwanese sentiment, all orchestrated to make sure then the top boils over, it will be against something other than the CCP.

 

[CWL]

Like I said, I've been traveling there for over 25 years, my last trip was a week ago. I've been visiting China in the roles of a scholar, analyst and businessman over the decades. I'm a conservative and there's plenty for me to hate about the country, but China is nowhere near a "powderkeg" of revolution or collapse..

Unless you understand the history, politics, military and economy of China (or any nation), what you only read from a single source or learn from a small group of similar-minded people isn't going to give you enough data to understand a nation as complicated as China. Those who want to use words like "revolution" need to first answer the question "why"?

Look at ourselves, aside from a very very small % of Americans that want to actively overthrow our Govt. (typically nutjobs) -how many of us serve and protect our nation, even if we don't like 100% of what's happening here?

China is growing in wealth, power, military and political influence. The average Chinese is immensely proud of their nation and feel their govt. is taking the right steps in taking it's place as a global power. This doesn't mean that they won't "bitch and moan" about local issues, the economy, their jobs, rising costs, corrupt politicians, etc... hey, doesn't that sound like us Americans?

What is reported as "unrest" is typically focused towards local govt. incompetence or corruption, not a call to arms to overthrow the Govt. This "unrest" also typically includes a call for regional or national Govt. to intervene. (historically, this is the pattern of how Chinese peasantry acted in order to get the attention of the Emperor)

BTW, 40 million firearms, mostly from 1910-1945 era, would only arm 0.03% of the population. This doesn't take into account the lack of ammunition plus general poor condition of the firearms due to harsh environmental conditions.

 

[Zoogster]

China very successfully brainwashes most of the population.

Speaking out against the government has official punishments that are very severe. While they won't always enforce that for some local discontent, it does get enforced if anyone gets a large following or gains enough influence.


Censorship is on everything in China, and sadly it is for the most part quite effective.
The government employs many people just to make sure all news and media available to the public shows the Chinese government in the most positive light and does not promote any sentiments that could cause trouble.

Try sending a link to virtually any news story to someone in China, blocked, blocked, blocked. Finally get one through and it is blocked the next day.
There was a big problem with Google not long ago, as the search engine was becoming a royal pain and a large workload to censor.



China has had some rebellion in the last few years, but the government simply enforces a ban on reporting or acknowledging it most of the time.
Most of the rebelling though has less to do with the lack of human rights, and more to do with the Muslim populations' grievances.
The Uyghur/Uighur (and a few other spellings), a predominantly Muslim group in China is responsible for a lot of the rebellion.

China does not acknowledge most problems to the world, and by not alerting others in their nation to ongoing problems they also keep separated groups from banding together or rebelling at the same time.
Simply don't acknowledge it and don't allow any reporting and fewer people take part. For comparison imagine a media ban on any reporting of the civil rights movement in the USA. It would have gone nowhere, and most actions would have remained isolated local incidents.
China employs this policy to keep the nation better contained.
When something is too big to be silenced and people are going to find out anyways, the Chinese government spearheads the reporting and downplays any rebellion. Making sure it remains the source of (dis) information so it can control the perspective.

Most of the population falls for it.

As for many guns? 40 million is significant, especially when possession is punishable by death, but overall it is not a high rate when the population is over a billion. There is just such a large population in China that any number involving China is likely to be large. Per Capita the rate is of ownership is higher in several other nations. China has over four times the population of the United States. Almost 1/5 of the entire world's population.

 

[T2K]

CWL - You seem to know what's what, it concurs with my experiences there over the past decade, more or less.

The main factor I see with China today is "resurgent nationalism". Westerners may forget that China was thriving, strong, advanced, and maybe the strongest empire on earth for long periods of history, off and on, over the past few thousand years. Chinese NEVER forget this.

China is not "rising to power", China is "RETURNING to power". China is returning to, as they see it, their rightful place at the global world pecking order. Just like it used to be.

Everyone in China knows that China is getting strong again, that China is getting rich again, that China means something now. They all like that, though not all are happy with government policies. Wouldn't you if you were Chinese?

The non-Han Chinese minorities are the possible sources of revolution in China, but they would be suppressed and crushed in a very non-PC way if they tried anything, and they know that. They still might try though.

Guns in China...? A total non-factor. No group in China has more guns and capability to use them than the People's Liberation Army.