Trajectory Trivia

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Just for fun I looked at the trajectory charts on the Hornady website and did a comparison of all the calibers from .223 to 300 Win Mag. - excluding the 30/30 and the 6.8 PPC.

Interesting to know that if rifles in all the calibers are "zero'd" at 200 yards, the difference in the amount of drop at 300 yards (between all calibers) is only about 3.5 inches at the most, and most of them are no more than 2 inches difference. If the .308 were excluded the difference-spread would be only 3 inches - "least-to-most".

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Knowing trajectories is important and can be fun - one example, I always grin at otherwise-experienced rifle shooters who shoot close-range targets for the first time eg. clay-pigeons at 10 yards ... and shoot way underneath.

They know their trajectories at distance pretty well, but have no clue about the trajectory at close-range because they've never tried it.
 
Hi Ski...

Nope. Even the drop at 400 yds (still with a 200yd zero) has a difference spread of only about 10 inches and most are more like 7 inches difference.
That difference would probably shrink if the "zero" was changed to 250yds.

Would really be interesting to see a similar comparison of wind-drift and time-of-flight data !

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I noticed that a while back, as I was anguishing between a purchase. It's just really not that big a deal, is it?
That's why we make fun of the guys that post...

"When hunting for a 150# white tail, should I get the regular magnum or the mega-ultra-uber magnum?"

The deer will never know the difference and you'll probably never be able to hold well enough to tell either.

A .30-30 or 30-06 killed deer 75 years ago and still will just as well today.
 
I ended up with a .270 by winning it. I would have bought a .30-06 or a .308. After looking at the ballistics I got over it. The big advantage to the .30 cals to me are availablity of milsurp ammo. And that is starting to fade.
With all the other factors caliber is not that big a deal to me. Being proficient is. When someone mentions "Flat Shooting" I hear "I don't want to deal with bullet drop", which the most constant aspect of long range shooting.
Later,
WNTFW
 
I limit shots at long range on game to 350 yards, 400 absolute maximum and I will only take a shot over 300 if there is no wind or up or down hill slope, just too danged many factors to consider and I don't want to cripple an animal. I don't carry a pocket anemometer, do have a 400 yard laser rangefinder. Most times if I can't get any closer than 300 yards or don't have a good shooting position, or there is more than just a slight breeze or I'm shooting down or up hill at a good angle, well, I'll try to get closer and if I spook the animal, so be it. That's what hunting is all about. But, when I shoot, I will be certain I can make the shot.

Most rifles can reach out past 250 yards for a 3" point blank range. My .308 is only about 5" low at 300. My 7 mag shoots farther/flatter and delivers more energy at range. It's not that much flatter that I'll shoot it that much farther, though. I don't feel any more comfortable making a shot at 400 with the 7 as I do with the .308, not on game, just too many variables in the field. Shooting targets off a bench is NOTHING like hunting. For one thing, there are no sighter shots in the field.

The one thing a magnum can do is deliver a lot more power at range than a lesser caliber, and on animals like moose and elk, that is not insignificant. I can HIT an elk with my .257 Roberts at 400 yards just as easily as I can with my 7 mag, but I'm delivering a LOT less energy, not enough energy that far out for an elk IMH0, to say nothing of a 117 grain 25 caliber bullet vs a 160 grain 7mm. The 7 wins that battle. The .257 would kill elk, but past 200 yards it starts to get iffy in energy dropping below 1500 ft lbs. Deer? SURE, but elk takes more.

So, rather than drop tables, I look more to match the power of the gun to the game pursued.
 
mostly , that is right, with a few excepts such as 240 or 257 weatherby mag, a nice hot 6 milly, or even a sweet 25.06. they will barely move out at 300.
also the fast wsm's in 270 and 7 milly.
 
Another interesting point is that most rifle cartridges have more or less the same point-blank range-- so close that one has to question the motivation to attempt to significantly increase it.

For example, if our target size is +/- 3", in other words we want to the point of impact between -3 and +3" of the line of aim from the muzzle to the maximum point blank range,

308 achieves it with a 175 @ 2700 zeroed at 235 yards, with a maximum PBR at -3" of about 275 yards.

300RUM achives it shooting a 190 @ 3200 fps, zeroed at approx 280 yards, with a maximum PBR at -3" of about 325 yards.

So.. we're burning over twice the powder with almost twice the recoil for 500 extra muzzle fps, which in the end gets us only an additional 50 yards of point blank distance.

On the other hand, once you realize this and get the aversion to using scope knobs to dial the elevation correction, those 400 and 500 yard shots get a whole lot easier.

-z
 
Hi Zak...

Was just in Ft. Collins last Sept. Should have hijacked you for a cup of hot chocolate and some reloading and ballistics talk (especially re: .243).

Is there a site that one can go to plug in numbers and get a maximum point-blank range for a particular bullet/velocity combination ? Are there any of the reloading manuals that contain a good discussion of the matter ? I need to update my reloading references anyway.

How does the 25/06 117grainer fare as an extended range item. Would imagine it to be a bit harsh on barrels.:eek:

Many thanks ! :cool:
 
www.realguns.com

Has a free exterior ballistics calculator, with Ballistic Coefficients for OEM bullets from Remington, Winchester, Norma, etc., as well as the more commonly available data from Nosler, Sierra, Hornady, Speer, etc
 
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