traveling with a sub2K

[wnycollector]

My family and I travel extensively (last year 21 states) by car. I recently picked up a new kel tec sub 2k 9mm. This year I would like to bring it along as some added insurance. I plan on keeping it folded and unloaded in a old laptop case with the loaded mags in a separate part of the case. With this setup am I breaking the federal interstate transport of firearms law?

 

[DontBurnMyFlag]

If you travel through NJ and have the gun in your trunk at all times, then yes it would be considered against the law.

NJ has a weird transport law that allows you to carry your gun in the car only in direct transport from your home/place of business to a gun shop/range, other home, or some other desintation in which the gun would be used or taken out of the car and stored.

For example, I cant just throw my gun in my trunk for a trip to 7-11.

NJ also requires that all weapons be in a case or securly tied package and unloaded while in transport. Ammunition must be stored in a separate container.

Its probably best if you avoid this state anyway... ugh. Good luck on your journey!

 

[MRIman]

I carry a Sub2K in my trunk,but I keep
my loaded mags in the rear seat. I would not
put them in the same case as the gun.

MRI

 

[Blackfork]

Oh brother!

.......have the folks who SWORE an oath to uphold the Constitution screwed up firearm laws beyond reason or comprehension.

 

[evan price]

The SUb2K is a carbine-length rifle, and it cannot be fired from the folded position. Therefore the law applying to it is the same as any other rifle.

Most states require the ammo to be separated from the gun.
I would have the mags locked away in a separate box. A tackle box or ammo can or something lockable works great.
DO check with the laws of each state you plan to pass through to verify their travelling with a gun laws.

I know in Ohio if you have loaded mags "ready to hand" the gun is considered 'loaded' even without a mag in it!

 

[wnycollector]

thanks for the info! I guess I will bring my little portable handgun safe for the ammo/mags.

This might spur me to get a florida non-res CCW...then I wont need to worry about separating ammo from gun!

 

[Soybomb]

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC926A

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 44--FIREARMS

Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person
who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting,
shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a
firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the
passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in
the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's
compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked
container other than the glove compartment or console.

I'd take that to mean they need to be in the trunk if you have one otherwise your gun in the laptop bag will be readily/directly accessible. I see no provisions about a firearm in a non-functioning state like many state laws have.

 

[wnycollector]

Like many of you I drive an SUV, therefore no trunk! I think I will be OK if I keep the ammo in my Secure-It gunsafe. Its keyed steel safe about the size of a hard cover book but it will fit my SIG P220 and an extra mag. I will put all my mags in there and the lock it in the glove box. The Sub2K will sit all the way in the back cargo area.

 

[Jim K]

"Added insurance." Against what? You want to be legal, so in many states you can't carry the gun loaded in the car and you can't take it into your motel/hotel room. So what good is it?

I never advise violating the law, but you have a basic decision to make. You can have your "added insurance" or you can obey the law. Have the means to protect yourself or be a law-abiding citizen. Take your pick. If you have to use the gun, you will be in trouble just about anywhere. But a half-a$$ed approach won't do any good at all. An unloaded gun, locked in a case, locked in the trunk is useless, and you might as well not have it. But if your car is searched (very unlikely unless you are a real idiot) you are in just about as much trouble as if you had it where you could get to it.

Ranting about the laws won't do any good. If you live in a restrictive state, work to change the laws. Contribute to friendly politicians and work with them if they are elected. But ranting and raving about the constitution will get you nothing but high blood pressure and not help a damned bit to get rid of bad laws or to prevent worse ones.

Jim

 

[sandwich]

If you travel through NJ and have the gun in your trunk at all times, then yes it would be considered against the law.

NJ has a weird transport law that allows you to carry your gun in the car only in direct transport from your home/place of business to a gun shop/range, other home, or some other desintation in which the gun would be used or taken out of the car and stored.

For example, I cant just throw my gun in my trunk for a trip to 7-11.

NJ also requires that all weapons be in a case or securly tied package and unloaded while in transport. Ammunition must be stored in a separate container.

Its probably best if you avoid this state anyway... ugh. Good luck on your journey!

I kind of like New Jersey.

 

[ApexinM3]

Loaded magazines in MD are a no-no as well. The carbine is fine as long as it stays in the trunk unloaded. MD, too, has the transport "to/from range, to/from show" as well.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

Stay away from CA. The Sub2000 is considered an AW in CA. You can disassemble it to transport it through CA, but if you assemble it, you would be facing a felony.

 

[Soybomb]

Stay away from CA. The Sub2000 is considered an AW in CA. You can disassemble it to transport it through CA, but if you assemble it, you would be facing a felony.

If he's traveling through CA and meets the requirements of FOPA he would be protected from CA gun laws.