Tried some 6.8 loads and factory loads today, not impressed yet

[rbernie]

I've had good luck with H322; decent velocities and excellent accuracy. It's my go-to powder for 6.8SPC just as H4198 is my go-to powder for 7.62x39.

 

[stubbicatt]

ProCarryNAustin has consumed the koolaid methinks. LOL.

If you like the cartridge, then by all means do shoot it. A lot. Be happy!

Krochus: Thanks for the information. It has saved me from making what seems to be an expensive mistake.

 

[Grendelizer]

rbernie: When the 6.8SPC round was introduced, Remington pushed out some pretty fantastic velocity claims for the round, just as AA did for the 6.5 Grendel.

Please leave the 6.5 Grendel out of this, unless you actually know what you're talking about. I follow these things pretty closely and, while I'm willing to have you quote me exactly where I'm wrong, I believe neither velocities nor chamber specs nor pressures for the 6.5 Grendel have changed since its inception.

John

 

[R.W.Dale]

Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night!

Here we go for round II

tosses some popcorn in the microwave and pops open a 20oz pepsi

 

[Grendelizer]

Don't worry, Krochus, I don't think he's got anything to respond with, so back to your regularly scheduled program.

I just find it highly annoying when these guys go out of their way to invent crap about the 6.5 Grendel when they're supposed to be defending the 6.8. I think the psychological term for this is "Grendel-envy."

At any rate, I've already popped open a Wild Cherry Pepsi two-liter, so I could get caffeinated and be up all night!

John

 

[R.W.Dale]

I think the psychological term for this is "Grendel-envy."

I will agree with ya on that point! Many of the 6.8 crowd have a flaming case. Myself I laugh at the whole affair and continue to use my 7.62x39 AR to put bullet holes in stuff at ranges most only think possible with some kind of 6.x mm

But trust me now that this thread is back up top there will be a round II

 

[rbernie]

Don't worry, Krochus, I don't think he's got anything to respond with, so back to your regularly scheduled program.

I saw no profit in doing so - my attitude on this has already been posted:

We can get our manhood all confused with rifle rounds if we want, but I would suggest that there's little profit to be had in that exercise.

However, since you've decided to actually taunt me, I've decided to respond.

I follow these things pretty closely and, while I'm willing to have you quote me exactly where I'm wrong, I believe neither velocities nor chamber specs nor pressures for the 6.5 Grendel have changed since its inception.

Sure they have. For example, Bill Alexander is seen on tape at Blackwater 2003, claiming that the 123gr Scenar would remain supersonic until 1400 yards. That claim equates to a MV of over 2800fps. At the time, he was pushed to substantiate this and he/his representatives insisted that to be an accurate claim for at least another year. Even in the absence of published third-party pressure test data for the round, those who were familiar with the pressure limitations of the platform speculated that he was not actually getting the performance he claimed.

The official load data from AA web site shows most 6.5 Grendel loads using the Scenar 123gr coming in at under 2600fps using the factory 24" test barrel. I believe this load data was largely published in its current form in 2006 and the page itself shows an update in December of 2007.

As far as I know, nobody has EVER gotten 2800fps from a 6.5 Grendel 123gr Scenar loaded to acceptable pressure specs no matter how long a tube they put in front if it.

As I pointed out earlier, this was a principal mistake made by Remington for the 6.8SPC - claiming a MV of 2800 from a chambering that was clearly incapable of doing so given the pressure limitations and common barrel configurations of the target platform.

Please leave the 6.5 Grendel out of this, unless you actually know what you're talking about.

I think that I have a basic grasp of history and am unwilling to rewrite it to support any particular agenda, thankyouverymuch.

From 2003 thru 2006, I hunted lots o' critters with a 7.62x39 AR15 rather than engage in the chambering wars between the 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC camps. Both sides were, from my perspective, engaging in hyperbole to sell their respective choices. My reaction was to buy neither.

In the end, I did buy into the 6.8SPC when build parts became commonly available for it and not for the 6.5 Grendel. That implies no distaste for the 6.5 Grendel as a chambering - just an acknowledgment that 6.8SPC parts were/are more commercially available.

The 6.8SPC does what I need in a multi-use AR-15. It has one advantage over the 7.62x39 AR15s that I semi-retired in the move to 6.8SPC, namely the availability of inexpensive and reliable hi-cap magazines. Until this fall, there were no hi-cap 7.62x39 AR15 mags that were commonly available and reliable. The C-Products latest offerings for 7.62x39 30rd magazines are working well for me, but are twice as as expensive as their 6.8SPC counterparts. A secondary benefit for me is that I can share specific bullets between my 270 handloads and my 6.8SPC handloads.