U.s. Protests Make Saddam Proud

[2dogs]

U.S. PROTESTS MAKE SADDAM PROUD

By STEVE DUNLEAVY
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February 17, 2003 --
THIS time last week I was up to my armpits in European weasels prancing down the Champs-Elysees in Paris.

On Saturday a subspecies was out in force in New York, prancing around Columbus Circle and the East Side: the American weasel.

Of course anti-war protests are as much a fabric of this country's freedom as the Constitution itself.

British Ambassador Sir Christopher Meyer, a solid supporter of the United States, realizes this. "I hope Saddam Hussein saw that demonstration of democracy," he said.

Saddam watched all right, but the message he got was altogether different.

This claque of peaceniks should look before they bleat and realize what signals they're sending to America's enemies and its so-called "allies." Saddam does not see the weasels practicing democracy. He sees the protests as proof of the weakness of America's leaders.

So does National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

As she said on "Meet the Press" yesterday: "[Iraq] is a country that cuts the tongues out of people who dissent."

The French and Germans do not see these demonstrations as a legitimate alternative voice.

They see it as support for their egomaniacal lust to again lead an old Europe.

Listen to the words of Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), a man with real credentials as a hero: "[France and Germany] remind me of an aging actress who tries to dine out on her looks but no longer has the face for it."

Meanwhile, more weasels are cloned and recloned as Saddam continues his endless con game of cheat and deceit.

For crying out loud, we are on high alert against terror.

The United Nations is doing a great carbon copy of the doomed League of Nations. The last time that happened, Hitler polished his jackboots before nearly polishing off Europe.

The weasels prance and they want us to dance to Saddam Hussein's tune of terror.

The liberal left has a sad tradition of being on the wrong side of history.


http://nypost.com/commentary/54586.htm

 

[Gmac]

I saw some fool holding a photo of his son who is a Marine stationed somewhere in the Middle East & probably in harm's way. Can you imagine how this young man feels, having his friends/teammates see this garbage? Someone needs to give this so called father a lesson in common sense, reinforced with a Louisville Slugger! Everyone has the right to voice their opinion but to demonstrate against our people in the military is the height of idiocy IMHO. Rant mode off.

 

[4v50 Gary]

The "peace at any price" crowd want peace even if they must submit before a tyranny. When talking about peace, talk piece.

 

[Nando Aqui]

Those protests are as effective as diets

Yep, they make our blood boil, but...

Twelve years ago, my now Air Force Captain son and my now Army Black Hawk pilot son were Marines. One had been in Saudi since 28 Aug '90 with Desert Shield and then Desert Storm, and didn't get to return to the States until 1 Apr '91.

Back then, early in January '91, I started if not the largest certainly the longest lasting (until the troops returned home) demonstrations in support of President Bush (-I) and the USA. I know the Marines appreciated the thousands who gathered every Sunday at noon at post offices to show their support.

Well, my same son who was there for over seven months 12 years ago, has already been in that area since mid October 2002, and I was tempted to again organize pro-USA support rallies. Then I thought, "No, this time Hussein must be taken out, and war is the only sure way to do it".

And what is the best way to insure a war?

To give Hussein the false sense that perhaps there might not be a war, which is what the millions of protestors do, so that he will more blatantly not comply with the resolutions. This way, it will be easier to convince the last few leaders of what must be done. (I am all for going at it alone, but it may be advantageous if we 'pretend' that all the other countries will help.)

I think the actions of the anti-war demonstrators have no effect at all, or are more likely to have exactly the opposite result of what they want. Let them demonstrate - let them look at themselves a few weeks from now. (Then again, they'll probably never know the difference...)

Yes, freedom in this country entitles everyone to blatantly and publicly display their ignorance and stupidity. And that is what my sons, and your sons and daughters fight for.

Alex

 

[carp killer]

I saw on FOX news a young american girl passing out leaflets to Iraqis in Bagdad. The leaflets said "we are with you" in english and arabic. ***! Are the peace movemen't folks supporting a countrys' dictator that gassed kurdish women and children!

 

[Peter Gun]

Come on! So we Americans should consider the message our use of free speech sends to a maniac? I really dont care whether Saddam understands our government or not. I also dont think it would affect his actions anyway. After all, he's a maniac, right?

 

[twoblink]

I am sure there were Jews in WWII who were like... " I'm not a Hitler supporter, but I just don't think Poland is something worth starting a war over, do you?"

I'm sure when they were in the concentration camps, they were saying "See, aren't you glad we didn't resist? Look, we are all lining up for a shower, see, they even care about our hygiene..."

:banghead:

The extent to how stupid some of these people are, just amazes me..

They come, burn down our buildings, kill our sons and daughters, destroy the fabric of our lives and everything we stand for "Oh, but aren't you glad we didn't start a war? Aren't you glad we have peace??" If that's their version of peace, I don't want it.

CNN is doing a real HACK JOB here in Taiwan...

The CNN rep here in taiwan flat out said "Bush would like to start a war because America is oil hungry." WOW... "Objective journalism" at it's VERY BEST.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

***** Steve Dunleavy and the horse he rode in on. What right does he have to say what the motives are of those protesting? "Supporting Saddam" and other such sewage doesn't belong in any forum where thoughtful people gather. A lot of people in this country disagree with you, Stevie boy, get over it. United, we sure as shootin' don't stand on this issue. We don't all goose-step into formation when the Commanderin' thief calls.

Do I sound insulted? You betcherass. I and people like me in those crowds were complaining about Saddam years before George I decided to make an example of him to justify continued defense spending, and probably before Stevie ever heard of the "new Hitler."

We're here, we're not going away. You're seeing something unprecedented here: an anti-war movement before the body bags start arriving. When they do, we'll still be here to remind you why it's wrong.

 

[jmbg29]

You're seeing seeing something unprecedented here: an anti-war movement before the body bags start arriving.

Oh please. Stop! Are you kidding? You guys are still using the same giant puppets that you used in the freakin' 80s for God's sake.

Like 90% of the jobless parasites had something better to do on Saturday besides bong hits. Heh. This way they can "share" their dope out in the street with the rest of the litter. Besides, the welfare office was closed today. Might as well make the most of their never-ending weekend.

All the left ever does is whine. The pitch might change to match whatever flavor of protest is in, but it's all the same garbage. Agitprop melodrama squealed in the key of "Me".

Anti-war movement, bowel movement, whatever. Flail your giant puppets in whatever frenzied fashion you like. The war goes on. And you aren't going to stop it. You and your insulted little friends are just so much white noise in the background.

Hey, hey, ho, ho blah, blah, blah....

 

[fallingblock]

"PEACE...

at any price" isn't worth it

 

[Thumper]

Thanks, Malone...Next time someone asks me what I mean by "shrill liberal" I have a concrete example.

I'm amazed at the cerebral gymnastics you have to perform to convince yourself that you're somehow not "supporting Saddam."

I can't get too worked up over you though; as someone once pointed out to me over at TFL, your evident self-hatred is almost pitiable.

Good luck with that.

 

[2dogs]

I and people like me in those crowds were complaining

And complaining, and complaining..................................just like the Vietnam war protesters (of which, I'm sorry to say, I was one- hey you get older and hopefully wiser), and what did the complaining accomplish. How abot 2,000,000 dead in Cambodia.

How about the WWII complainers, yeah we would have been much better off if we had followed their advice- talk about goose stepping.

Oh, and they complained and complained and complained about South Africa, and Rhodesia and apartheid- well no more apartheid now- just a socialist hell hole in South Africa and and murdering Mugabe in Zimbabwe- yeah that worked out real well.

Oh and there was a lot of complaining about Reagan and his policy towards the Soviet Union- until Eastern Europe became a collection of free sovereign states again- yep the complainers were wrong on that one too.

Now the same complainers- "oh we should just make nice with Saddam after all, what's he ever done to us?" Well let's see who is against war with Iraq? The freedom loving Russians, the freedom loving Chinese, the freedom loving Germans and French and the complainers- yep over the years these have been veritable bastions of freedom and democracy. Let's listen to the complainers- what a track record they have for being on the right side.

And while they are complaining, there will once again be heroes dying in the cause of freedom- so that the complainers and whiners can go on as always.

 

[dinosaur]

Yep, all those protesters, wow. Taken in comparison with the total population, it`s more like 100 people at a packed baseball stadium booing the home team. The big difference is we`re not likely to throw them off the tier. Liberals are so angry.

Speaking of angry libs, anyone see O`Reilly last night? He had some organizer of the protests actually frothing at the mouth all over his nice suit. Some peace protester.

 

[Augustwest]

Constitution lovin', gun-totin', rabid capitalist here.

The idea of spilling American military and Iraqi civilian blood, and spending billions of tax dollars in order to increase the chances of terrorist acts on our own soil just plain sucks to me.

I went into New York on Saturday, and wasn't able to get down to the area of the UN because there were so many people out speaking their minds. I disagree with the political and economic views of many, if not most of the demostrators, but it was good to see Amendment I in action.

People who equate disagreeing with the government with treason really don't understand what freedom is about.

JMO

 

[2dogs]

Hey, I'm all for free speech, and certainly blind loyalty to ANY government is not a good thing.

However, if you are going to exercise free speech also try to excercise critical thought.





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MARCHING FOR GENOCIDE


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February 18, 2003 -- Awhole bunch of people, here in New York and worldwide, demonstrated Saturday in favor of keeping a genocidal maniac, Saddam Hussein, in power.
They didn't put it that way of course.

They were for "peace" - at least those who weren't protesting globalization, "racism," Mike Bloomberg's budget, George Pataki's budget, the president's pronunciation or Mumia the Cop-Killer's continued incarceration:

"Hey, Hey,

"Ho, Ho;

"All bad things,

"Have got to go!"

Except for Saddam, of course.

He gets a pass, while the demonstrators' placards compared President Bush to Adolf Hitler - and called America a "terrorist state."

Objectively, they were arguing against the liberation of Iraq - while claiming to care about the Iraqi people.

What perfect bad faith.

After all, neither Saddam's documented mass killings of Iraqi civilians nor his continuing brutality against his own people - the dissidents tortured with electric shocks, the children raped in front of their parents - ever provoked rallies like this.

And you didn't see any of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi exiles chanting or banging on drums outside the U.N. building. Because no one in the "peace movement" ever talks about or to the one-sixth of the Iraqi population that lives in exile.

For these people, Iraqis are only real or worth caring about as fantasy victims of an evil America.

This is bigotry, pure and simple.

It's bigotry against America, and it is bigotry against the people of Iraq - who are assumed not to deserve the freedoms that Americans take for granted.

Now, some of these people who demonstrated on Saturday may genuinely, if foolishly, believe that nothing is worse than war.

There are in fact many things worse than war: things that the United States has fought against - like slavery and tyranny.

But it's all too telling that none of the demonstrators carried posters calling for Saddam to prevent war. Which he could easily do by obeying each of the 17 U.N. resolutions aimed at his despicable regime, disarming and going into exile.

And if there were to be no war - if the Bush and Blair administrations should back down, and Saddam's newly strengthened regime should stay in power for another 10 or 20, years - then the "not in our name" crowd will have the blood of his future victims on their hands.

Not to mention the victims of the rogue states and brutal dictatorships that will be encouraged by his victory, or the victims of terrorists armed with Iraqi-supplied weapons of mass destruction.

What the demonstrators should have had on their banners were the things they were really calling for:

* No interference with Saddam's torture chambers!

* Let Saddam have the weapons he wants!

* Death to Israel!

* Crush the Kurds! Slaughter the Iraqi Shiites!

* Poison gas, deadly germs and nuclear weapons for terrorist groups!

It would be ugly.

But it would be honest.

 

[jmbg29]

The idea of spilling American military and Iraqi civilian blood, and spending billions of tax dollars in order to increase the chances of terrorist acts on our own soil just plain sucks to me.

Emphasis added.

Nothing that we do is going to make the chance of more attacks less, until we are finished making it plain that the terrorists are going to be hunted down and anihilated completely. The death-cult nuts aren't going to stop because you or the protesters that you adore want to make nicey-nice.

In fact, they comedy in all this is that if the death-cult nuts had a choice between facing me down in hand to hand combat, or walking into the midst of you and a bunch of bliss-ninnies with a bomb, they'd take you guys every time.

The thing that outrages these theocratic lunatic thugs more than anything else, are the protesters and their decadent moral bankruptcy. They take one look at those loser skanks, and instead of just feeling disgust, they go home and ask for some explosives to strap to their body.

Nice try though Mr. Chamberlin.

 

[Augustwest]

1. I Don't know who Mr. Chamberlin is.

Neville Chamberlain, on the other hand, allowed a psychopath unfettered access to Europe. Iraq doesn't have access to anywhere right now, so your comparing what's going on now to England's appeasement of the Nazis doesn't float.

2. I don't adore the protestors, but I revere their right to protest.

3. When Saddam knows he has no chance of surviving is when he's going to disperse his chemical and/or biological weapons in bulk to al Qaeda and our other meaningful enemies.



Congratulations on being so clearly superior to me. It must feel pretty nifty.

 

[Gary H]

Protest is a legitimate form of expression, but it does give the appearance of support for Saddam. I didn't hear much criticism of Saddam in the mix of comments coming from the left. Much of this is a hatred for the U.S. and a mindless hatred of Bush. I must admit that I'm 50-50 on Bush, but the "thief" remark shows motive. It is OK to gas your own people, but horrible to try and protect your citizens from future threats. Some folks are just members of hate America first. Discussion will not change this fact.

It is clear to me that Bush's motives in going into Iraq involve his absolute love of baseball and his interest in bringing a professional franchise to Iraq. This argument will stand tall along with many of the arguments put forward by the peaceful folks.

Peace Now .. War Later

That is what the protestors stand for and war later will be a more terrible affair. The more the left becomes irrelevant, the stronger they react.

"goose-step"
"Commanderin' thief"
"new Hitler"

If only Britain would have prevented Hitler from rearming. Of course, the isolationists and those that made the argument that Germany was a sovereign country, refused to listen to Winston Churchill. I don't believe that history has proven Neville Chamberlain right:

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36.htm

 

[jmbg29]

Neville Chamberlain, on the other hand, allowed a psychopath unfettered access to Europe. Iraq doesn't have access to anywhere right now, so your comparing what's going on now to England's appeasement of the Nazis doesn't float.

The socialist pig in Bagdad isn't romping across the plains of Europe, but other than that he has much the same potential.

You might note that most of the death-cult nuts live in close proximity to uncle Saddam. You might not know this, but he has what every death-cult nut martyr could ever hope for i.e. WMD.
Now you see...we can't even stop death-cult nuts from getting into our own country, and we (believe it or not) are half a friggin' planet away from 99% of them. Getting the drift yet?

O.K., so here I am, a death-cult nut that needs weaponized anthrax. Who to get it from? Do I scrape out the cold dung-beetle helper from my one and only cooking pot, and try to make it myself? Should I try to get all the way to the U.S. and see if I can break into a U.S. facility to get some? Or should I saddle up with Namij and Akbar and light out across the wasteland I call home, and see if unka saddam can hook me up? Or, knowing already that he won't; do I and a bunch of my death-cult buddies decide to use our clever terrorist monkey-minds to find some disaffected wank inside Iraq to hook us up with the stuff?

I know, this stuff is complicated. And you see, we have barely even scratched the surface of the many possibilities. Not to mention that OUT OF ALL of the rhetoric that people like OBL use to stir up the death-cult rabble, their most effective argument is that WE are weak, and they (the death-cult nuts) are strong.

When we went into Iraq the first time, we stopped right in the middle of victory. Do you think, even for a minute, that some dumbass goatherd that wipes his butt with a rock, would see that as us being strong? And when he grows up to be a big death-cult nut, and he goes off to Unka Osama's Sleepaway Kamp, that he would look upon unemployable loser protesters as something that would dissuade his attack, or bolster it?

Protesters have every right to peaceably assemble and spout whatever they like. And whether you like it or not (and if you haven't already guessed, I couldn't care less) I have every right to see them for the scum that they are.

People that endanger me and mine are my enemy. Some enemies I just sneer at. Enemies that offer any potential of physical harm I kill if I can. And since none of the protesters got their heads smashed like ripe melons, guess which category they fit into?

Oh, and Malone...Sandi who?

 

[fallingblock]

jmbg29.....

if you think the U.S. protests were ugly, some of the Aussie ones were downright nasty

Here in Alice Springs we had 300 devoted U.S.- hating 'disciples of peace' railing against 'fascist' Bush and the evil U.S. Imperialists.
That's out of a local population of 30,000, by the way

I went to the I.P.S.C. match at the local club....

The way I see it, one of the great things about the satanic West is that anyone may excercise their 'right to be wrong'.

Saddam would have taught the 'peace' advocates a valuable lesson had they been demonstrating against him in Bagdad

 

[jmbg29]

fallingblock,

Look on the bright side my friend. Given the nature of your country (giant welfare state) the protesters at Alice Springs are quite likely to recieve a nanny-state subsidized vacation in Bali!

 

[fallingblock]

Vacation in Bali.....

Why didn't I think of that....maybe a bit of 'nightclubbing'?

Australia has beautiful wide open spaces, a fine climate, friendly folks and the remains of a decent political system, but I sure have 'issues' about the oppression of firearms owners
Those 'remains' are eroding fast, btw.