(UK) Take everyone's DNA fingerprint, says pioneer

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Take everyone's DNA fingerprint, says pioneer

By Steve Connor in Long Island, New York
03 February 2003



Everybody in Europe and the US should have their genetic fingerprints entered into an international database to enable law enforcement agencies to fight crime and terrorism in an unstable world, according to James Watson, the co-discoverer of the DNA double helix.

In an exclusive interview with The Independent to mark the 50th anniversary of his discovery, the scientist said the risks posed by terrorists and organised criminals now outweighed the possible objections on civil liberties grounds to a DNA database.

"It is not that I am insensitive to the concerns about individual privacy or to the potential for inappropriate use of genetic information, but it would make life safer," Professor Watson, the president of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York, said.

As the first director of the Human Genome Project, Professor Watson set aside funds to examine the potential ethical concerns relating to the misuse of genetic information. DNA fingerprints, which do not contain medical information and are merely used to establish a person's identity, pose fewer threats, he said.

"The sacrifice of this particular form of anonymity does not seem an unreasonable price to pay, provided the laws see to a strict and judicious control over access to public data," he said. "It would be harder to be a crook. If you want to make the criminal justice system more fair, what's wrong with it?"

Europe and the US could introduce such a database relatively cheaply and easily, he said. "It's hard to imagine that in 100 years from now we won't have it. With the increase in terrorism, we want to know who people are."

Many people might object out of an irrational fear of DNA, which has a "voodoo quality", he admitted. "A lack of understanding of genetic complexities leaves one susceptible to the worst anxieties and conspiracy theories."

Professor Alec Jeffreys of Leicester University, who developed DNA fingerprinting in the 1980s, also called for a national DNA database for crime fighting in a speech last year at the Science Festival. Since its development, the fingerprinting technique has become one of the most powerful tools in forensic science.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=375107
 
More proof that years of study and experience are not transferrable between areas of knowledge. Maybe they are idiot savants?


Or merely well educated idiots.
 
I can hear the scheming in the back rooms now...

"Well, If we start with every newborn child"...

"And we hire 175 million employees to handle the new computer system we'll need to build and operate"...

"And we update the database with every citizen who ever comes in to get their travel documents (their driver's license is a privilege, not a right ya know), every three or four years"...

"And we exempt ALL Gov't employees, lawyers and politicians, including the 175 million DNA MIS employees"...

Then...

"We'll have 'em, right where we want 'em."

"Of course, "They'll" have to pay for it when we increase the hospital bill and the DMV fee's so "They" can feel safer. That way it won't cost (us) a dime"

Let's do it for... (everybody all together now) ... the children.

It's a good plan; no, make that a great plan Senator Clinton/Feinstein/Kennedy. I like it.

Adios
 
This is a great idea! We could use the same computers that have the firearms fingerprints to save money. Then we could find the terrorist/crooks and their guns at the same time. Surely you can see that all of this is "reasonable" and "common sense," wait until we get the Brady Bunch to sign on.
 
"It is not that I am insensitive to the concerns about individual privacy or to the potential for inappropriate use of genetic information, but it would make life safer," Professor Watson, the president of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York, said.

“They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.â€
—Benjamin Franklin
 
the scientist said the risks posed by terrorists and organised criminals now outweighed the possible objections on civil liberties grounds to a DNA database.

I can't wait until Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, Ed Asner, George Clooney and the rest of the elite step forward to say this violates their right to privacy.

Hopefully, someone will stand up and say, "If you are a law abiding citizen, what do you have to fear?", "If it gets even one criminal off the streets, isn't it worth it?" or "Shouldn't we support all reasonable restrictions to our civil rights to ensure we are safe from violent criminals and terrorists?"
 
The only way they are going to get mine is to steal it from me, they ain't gettin it willingly. I've got two words for the people who want to make everyone submit to this and I can't say it here.
 
Why don't they just get it overwith and bar-code everybody!? :banghead:

Isn't this kind of a "guilty until proven innocent" deal?:scrutiny:
 
It will begin

like the mandate all newborns must get a SSN.
Does it sound anything at all like "The Mark of the Beast"???
 
I can see some congress-critter trying to introduce this and I can see it not being reported by the mainsteam press. At least until some bright reporter figures out that it means them too. :mad:
I think it'll be passed in Europe before it would here though. Even the aclu would choke on that I belive.
 
I kinda thought that the OJ Simpson trial proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that DNA is irrelevant.

Adios
 
In America, they could easily get genetic and ballistic fingerprints, all at once. Barge in, demand samples...at which point the locals would put a charge of buckshot in their faces and spit on the corpses...instant DNA source and one fewer retirement obligation! :cool:
 
James Watson deserves a bullet in the head for even thinking of that, let alone seriously suggesting it.


No, thats not hyperboyle ... I'm serious. What he's suggesting is one of the greatest crimes against humanity ever conceived and would lead to the brutal murder of billions. And as such he should forfeit his life for it.

:fire:
 
Here is a guy that can thank federal funding for financing most if not all of his career. He is faithful to that master and no other.

On the other hand, his clear lack of understanding is evident in that he believes we have the ability to database terrorists. I don't believe the BGs will come here from around the World to participate in his project. So his project will catch not one terrorist.

The best way to assure that no governemnt can misuse DNA information is to make sure the government never gets it in the first place. It may start with systems that are not informative about disease states, proneness to drug/alcohol abuse etc. and what race you are or what you look like but will wind up with the governemnt having much more info about each of us than we would care for them to have.

OTOH I am in favor of DNA fingerprints for foreign nationals that come here for visits or to work. Even consular staff. I'm also for building a DNA DB for all illegals caught here.


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How will they get the data? Easy.

Anti-gun pediatricians will send foreskins (from circumcisions) to the FBI for DNA "fingerprinting" and entry into the database. Since men commit most crimes, that'll do nicely.

:uhoh:
 
Anti-gun pediatricians will send foreskins (from circumcisions) to the FBI for DNA "fingerprinting" and entry into the database. Since men commit most crimes, that'll do nicely.

Possible, but only works on those who've been circumcised, which is going out of fashion, unless you're a Muslim or Jew.

Just take tongue depressors, which should have enough epithelial cells to work reasonably well with PCR based assays, or set aside a mL or so of blood from every blood donor and routine lab test, for a more complete workup. Tissue samples from any operative procedure, too.

You could have a nice database in 10-15 years.
 
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