VZ-58 Zeroing

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Hello everyone!

I recently became the proud owner of a VZ-58, and I would like to try to zero it in, I have heard some say that it can be done the same as a AK, but I figured I would pick all of your brains to see what info you guys might have on how to zero this rifle.

Thanks for reading!
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Zero is pretty much exactly the same as the AK, elevation and windage is on the front sight, push (or turn) opposite the direction you want the POI to go.

With 7.62x39 there isn't a great zeroing range like 50-200 yards can be with 556 NATO. Generally I do a coarse adjust at 50 with the group ~1.5-2" high then do a fine adjust at 200 yards for zero.

The vz58 is a great little rifle with a neat design.

BSW
 
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Zero is pretty much exactly the same as the AK, elevation and windage is on the front sight, push (or turn) opposite the direction you want the POI to go.

With 7.62x39 there isn't a great zeroing range like 50-200 yards can be with 556 NATO. Generally I do a coarse adjust at 50 with the group ~1.5-2" high then do a fine adjust at 200 yards for zero.

The vz58 is a great little rifle with a neat design.

BSW
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Thank you, I haven't owned anything similar. So I wanted to make sure that I am doing everything I can to get it rolling. Wanted to make sure that I wasnt going about it some goofy way!

I am enjoying the rifle so far. Its alot of fun, and very handy rifle. Anything of note or words of wisdom about the things I should know about? I always appreciate the advice of the sages here haha!
 
Anything of note or words of wisdom about the things I should know about?
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They are fine rifles. It’s pretty amazing that the Czechs were able to come up with a milled rifle in 7.62x39mm that is both lighter in weight and has considerably less felt recoil than a typical AKM.

The only real negatives that jump out to me are in regards to ergonomics. The steel folding stock is a bit uncomfortable (though that can be remedied with a paracord wrap). The front hand guards can heat up pretty fast even with moderate semi-auto fire (at least when using the standard “beaver barf” furniture. Also, the standard pistol grip is ridiculously small (if an AK grip is made for children, the vz.58 grip must be sized for toddlers.

But we can forgive those transgressions, because the beaver barf is just too cool.
 
Fishbed77 said:
They are fine rifles. It’s pretty amazing that the Czechs were able to come up with a milled rifle in 7.62x39mm that is both lighter in weight and has considerably less felt recoil than a typical AKM.

The only real negatives that jump out to me are in regards to ergonomics. The steel folding stock is a bit uncomfortable (though that can be remedied with a paracord wrap). The front hand guards can heat up pretty fast even with moderate semi-auto fire (at least when using the standard “beaver barf” furniture. Also, the standard pistol grip is ridiculously small (if an AK grip is made for children, the vz.58 grip must be sized for toddlers.

But we can forgive those transgressions, because the beaver barf is just too cool.
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I too like the way it looks and feels. Mine is actually a kinda yellow Beech wood. I havent noticed it get too too hot, but I have heard that is a issue. Anything people do to fix that?
 
TheFlynn01 said:
I too like the way it looks and feels. Mine is actually a kinda yellow Beech wood. I havent noticed it get too too hot, but I have heard that is a issue. Anything people do to fix that?
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I've shot mine at our local shoot and move rifle match a few times and have run thru 3-4 mag in pretty short order. As far as heat goes thin shooting gloves were enough for it not to be a problem.

Some thoughts on the design and features.
The vz seems to be sensitive to muzzle devices. Some of the brakes and flash hiders I've tried worsened group sizes by a lot, I generally just run the muzzle nut.
For optics I'm using a side rail. The Czechpoint rifles are drilled and tapped for side rails and it's a dead solid way to mount an optic. RS Regulate sells a vz height riser. You can use AK height optics but they will be high. Short optics are needed as the rifle ejects straight up and using the railed optic and folding stock means you won't be able to remove the optic (the stock blocks optics from sliding off the back).
You can use the stripper clip loading feature, but it is way slower than just swapping mags.
The iron sights are easily zeroed with an AK tool. I've been using the magna-matic* for years: https://magna-matic-defense.com/akfst-front-sight-tool/

BSW

*That tool ain't cheap but you'll never break it. I've twisted loose frozen AK sights that broke the standard tools. It's way better than the C clamp tools as the magna-magic doesn't spring open under pressure.
 
I have been working on finding the right size optic to use on mine. I got the rear leaning side rail mount and it sets the scope rail back almost too far. Good for a red dot, but not for scopes. I got the left handed bolt from Czech point to test out also.
 
MechAg94 said:
I have been working on finding the right size optic to use on mine. I got the rear leaning side rail mount and it sets the scope rail back almost too far. Good for a red dot, but not for scopes. I got the left handed bolt from Czech point to test out also.
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The Trijicon TA44 is a great scope to use on the vz58 (or any other rifle) but it ain't cheap. You probably will have to use a prism type scope to keep from fouling the ejection path. Primary Arms has some that aren't insanely expensive that have a rep for decent quality.

Red dots and 7.62x39 don't play that well together because of 7.62x39's beach ball ballistics. Much over 200 yards and your hold-overs/unders become significant if you're trying to shoot quick.

BSW
 
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If you've got the stock 30 round aluminum magazines cut at least one down to 15 or 20 rounds. It makes the rifle much easier to shoot off a bench for zeroing.
 
JDGray said:
Load 1, remove mag, shoot, repeat....
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Most people are already aware that self loading weapons can be used as single shots. Fewer know that VZ58 mags can be easily cut down, making the whole weapon much handier.
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The shortened mag shown in the attached pics was my first conversion and holds 21 rounds. It feeds as reliably as a stock mag.
 
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briansmithwins said:
I've shot mine at our local shoot and move rifle match a few times and have run thru 3-4 mag in pretty short order. As far as heat goes thin shooting gloves were enough for it not to be a problem.

Some thoughts on the design and features.
The vz seems to be sensitive to muzzle devices. Some of the brakes and flash hiders I've tried worsened group sizes by a lot, I generally just run the muzzle nut.
For optics I'm using a side rail. The Czechpoint rifles are drilled and tapped for side rails and it's a dead solid way to mount an optic. RS Regulate sells a vz height riser. You can use AK height optics but they will be high. Short optics are needed as the rifle ejects straight up and using the railed optic and folding stock means you won't be able to remove the optic (the stock blocks optics from sliding off the back).
You can use the stripper clip loading feature, but it is way slower than just swapping mags.
The iron sights are easily zeroed with an AK tool. I've been using the magna-matic* for years: https://magna-matic-defense.com/akfst-front-sight-tool/

BSW

*That tool ain't cheap but you'll never break it. I've twisted loose frozen AK sights that broke the standard tools. It's way better than the C clamp tools as the magna-magic doesn't spring open under pressure.
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I just got that tool in today, really nice little thing to have. Been watching some videos with Rob Ski and his AK stuff, so I am excited to zero it. Truth be told it seems to shoot pretty dead on, so there might not be much to do, which I am okay with.

I do have the normal 30 round magazines. I got lucky and found a guy selling six on GB plus the Czech military bag to hold at least four of them for $130 so I had to snag it! Better now than never
 
Rob ski pisses me off he shoots so well! 400 yards open sights, dead center hits, no problem:) Great guy to get tips from, that’s for sure.
 
JDGray said:
Why ruin a mag? I guess it’s only $20 lol:)
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Maybe because when I shoot a single shot I prefer a Ruger #1?

In any case the mag isn't ruined. Being shorter just makes it possible to shoot the rifle from prone or a bench without "monopoding" it off the mag.

I generally prefer 20's in an AR as well since there aren't many things I do with a rifle where a 30 round mag offers any advantage over a 20.
 
Swampman said:
Maybe because when I shoot a single shot I prefer a Ruger #1?

In any case the mag isn't ruined. Being shorter just makes it possible to shoot the rifle from prone or a bench without "monopoding" it off the mag.

I generally prefer 20's in an AR as well since there aren't many things I do with a rifle where a 30 round mag offers any advantage over a 20.
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Well there you go;)
 
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