Walther P1 Package at Gander
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Wags
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The P1 is slightly different from the WWII P38. The MAIN difference is the frame on the P1 is aluminum vs. P38 is steel. Then we could get into firing pin, grips, frame thickness, some have different sights and so on.
$249.99 is an excellent price for a P1 with the accessories you mentioned if the pistol is in VG to excellent condition.
For a complete detail of differences between the P1 to P38, go to:
www.p38forum.com
$249.99 is an excellent price for a P1 with the accessories you mentioned if the pistol is in VG to excellent condition.
For a complete detail of differences between the P1 to P38, go to:
www.p38forum.com
"My guess is though they will not have one and will not heard of the sale."
Boy, Flyboy, you really hit that one right!
I went to my Gander Mtn after verifying on the web that they are a dealer location that "has" those P-1s.
Their response was "Duhhh?"
(They checked the back room and didn't have any; they looked at the internet sight and saw that they were supposed to; the manager said the sale isn't supposed to start until Oct 14th - but the add on the net says Oct 7th thru Nov 1!)
Gander Mtn has been going down the tubes for a while now - this is just one more example.
Click this link:
Gander Advertisement
Boy, Flyboy, you really hit that one right!
I went to my Gander Mtn after verifying on the web that they are a dealer location that "has" those P-1s.
Their response was "Duhhh?"
(They checked the back room and didn't have any; they looked at the internet sight and saw that they were supposed to; the manager said the sale isn't supposed to start until Oct 14th - but the add on the net says Oct 7th thru Nov 1!)
Gander Mtn has been going down the tubes for a while now - this is just one more example.
Click this link:
Gander Advertisement
Looks like a one store only sale... simply ask to reserve one at the advertised price.
I was in last week looking for the CZ52 they had advertised. This was before i saw the P1. The clerk had no clue. Called the manager no clue also. He showed the ad to another clerk and he said he would get one for me. He asked for copy of the ad and took my name and number. So we will see. I am going in tommorrow and ask about the P1 and also see if they had any lead on the CZ.
I ordered a springfield armery GI 1911 that was supposed to take 2-3 weeks and took about 3 months and after talking to severel different clerks and getting no where. I go in one day and low and behold my 1911 on display, that was supposed to be held for me in the back.
I will also see about there low price gurantee. They have a Marlin 30-30 with scope for $349 and i see dicks has them for $299. We will see how it goes there.
Brion
I ordered a springfield armery GI 1911 that was supposed to take 2-3 weeks and took about 3 months and after talking to severel different clerks and getting no where. I go in one day and low and behold my 1911 on display, that was supposed to be held for me in the back.
I will also see about there low price gurantee. They have a Marlin 30-30 with scope for $349 and i see dicks has them for $299. We will see how it goes there.
Brion
Even considering it was their mistake?
Update from Gander
Went into Gander about the P1 today. As i thought the clerk had no idea about the sale or gun. Then tried to look up a used gun in there new gun catalog. :banghead:
He then called the Dept manager and showed him the ad. He said ya its the guns from the 45th anniversely sale that we donlt have yet. He told me they should have them soon. I asked about what to do till they come in. He told me to go up front and get a rain check and they will call when they come in.
So i went up front got a rain check for the P1 and CZ52 Package.
RonJon and any one else looking maybe you could talk to Dept manager too and get a rain check.
But we will see if they ever call. Probally will maybe a couple of trips nack to see if they get them in stock and don't call.
Brion
Went into Gander about the P1 today. As i thought the clerk had no idea about the sale or gun. Then tried to look up a used gun in there new gun catalog. :banghead:
He then called the Dept manager and showed him the ad. He said ya its the guns from the 45th anniversely sale that we donlt have yet. He told me they should have them soon. I asked about what to do till they come in. He told me to go up front and get a rain check and they will call when they come in.
So i went up front got a rain check for the P1 and CZ52 Package.
RonJon and any one else looking maybe you could talk to Dept manager too and get a rain check.
But we will see if they ever call. Probally will maybe a couple of trips nack to see if they get them in stock and don't call.
Brion
dleong
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Got One!
This past weekend, I went to the Gander Mountain store in Lakeville, MN, to see if they had any of these "Walther P-1 Shooter Packages" in stock. This being Gander, I was fully expecting the "deer in the headlights" look from their salespeople when I asked about the package; to my surprise, they knew about it, and even had four of the P-1s in the backroom.
They brought all four out for me to examine. Three of them showed evidence of light usage (bluing worn off the slide rails and breechface, minimal handling wear, etc.). But the fourth one was brand-spanking new, with not even the slightest hint of bluing or parkerization wear anywhere, even on the breechface. A manufacture date of 10/80 was stamped on the slide, but for what it's worth, it looked like it could have been manufactured last week.
Needless to say, that particular P-1 found a new home immediately. Detail-stripping it at home confirmed that the pistol was indeed mint on the inside too.
Not a bad deal at all for $250!
This past weekend, I went to the Gander Mountain store in Lakeville, MN, to see if they had any of these "Walther P-1 Shooter Packages" in stock. This being Gander, I was fully expecting the "deer in the headlights" look from their salespeople when I asked about the package; to my surprise, they knew about it, and even had four of the P-1s in the backroom.
They brought all four out for me to examine. Three of them showed evidence of light usage (bluing worn off the slide rails and breechface, minimal handling wear, etc.). But the fourth one was brand-spanking new, with not even the slightest hint of bluing or parkerization wear anywhere, even on the breechface. A manufacture date of 10/80 was stamped on the slide, but for what it's worth, it looked like it could have been manufactured last week.
Needless to say, that particular P-1 found a new home immediately. Detail-stripping it at home confirmed that the pistol was indeed mint on the inside too.
Not a bad deal at all for $250!
Wags
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dleong: Sounds like you picked up a winner. Question: since your slide is dated 10/80 do you have the re-inforcement cross bolt in the frame? I would recommend you install new recoil springs in your P1 if you plan on doing any extensive shooting with it. Enjoy.
Wags
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dleong
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Wags said:
Wags,
Thank you for the suggestion. I have ordered the twin 8 lb. recoil springs from Wolff, as several people on P38forum.com have recommended the same thing.
Yes, the P-1 does indeed have the reinforcement crossbolt in the frame. As for shooting it, well, given the mint condition of the gun, I'm now almost tempted to just put it in a hermetically sealed glass display case, and go buy one of the other slightly used P-1s at Gander to shoot.
Here's an image I just took of the P-1:
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StephenT
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Nice photo there! I may need to give Gander Mountain a call in the morning to see if they have any of these in stock. Just what I need, another gun. Generally speaking, what reputation do these P1s have , in terms of reliability and accuracy? How about the trigger pull? Thanks.
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I guess I dont understand why anyone would give $200 for a CZ52 when they can be ordered from
Classic Arms
SOG
or many other places for $100.......
mine came in perfect condition with 2 mags, holster and cleaning rod for $110.
Classic Arms
SOG
or many other places for $100.......
mine came in perfect condition with 2 mags, holster and cleaning rod for $110.
StephenT
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Well, I decided to go check out Gander Mountain and ended up getting one. There were P1s and some older P38s (pre 1964). I got a P38 made in 1963. As mentioned above, it comes with a holster, two mags, cleaning kit and 100 rounds of 9mm, all for $249.99.
Kudos to Gander Mountain for great service. The finish had one or two scratches, so the gunsmith touched them up for me for free. I'm a happy camper now!
Kudos to Gander Mountain for great service. The finish had one or two scratches, so the gunsmith touched them up for me for free. I'm a happy camper now!
StephenT,
Are the P38s (pre 64) like the one you bought all steel (the P1s have an aluminum frame), or are they the same as the P1s except marked as P38?
If yours was an aluminum alloy frame, does it have the hex reinforcing lug?
Thanks
Are the P38s (pre 64) like the one you bought all steel (the P1s have an aluminum frame), or are they the same as the P1s except marked as P38?
If yours was an aluminum alloy frame, does it have the hex reinforcing lug?
Thanks
StephenT
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Ron, the frame is alloy, just like for the P1. As for the hex reinforcing lug, I'm not sure which part it is. When I rack and lock back the slide, there's a stainless steel part nudged below the barrel and behind the takedown lever. The slide, in forward position, covers up this part. Sorry, I don't have a digital camera to show you....
StevenT,
Borrowing from dleong's picture, the hex-shaped reinforcing lug is the part that is visible just between the takedown lever and the slide release lever:
It passes thru the frame and reinforces the frame from the locking lug (which I believe is the part that you described) when the slide slams back to the forward position. I understand that this was found to be a weakness in the alloy frame and the lug was Walther's solution to it.
Borrowing from dleong's picture, the hex-shaped reinforcing lug is the part that is visible just between the takedown lever and the slide release lever:
It passes thru the frame and reinforces the frame from the locking lug (which I believe is the part that you described) when the slide slams back to the forward position. I understand that this was found to be a weakness in the alloy frame and the lug was Walther's solution to it.
dleong
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A blow-up of the reinforcing lug:
StephenT
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Ok, got it. Unfortunately, my specimen doesn't have that reinforcement. I looked over a few P1s and 38s at Gander for the best one, but wasn't paying attention to that detail. Most of the guns seemed to be from the 1960s, with mine built about 2 months before Kennedy's assassination. Anyway, I'm happy with my purchase and plan to use only standard pressure 9mm.
That reinforcing lug, is it something that a competent gunsmith can install? I've also noticed some very slight play in the barrel (back and forth) when the slide is pulled back, which I assume is normal. Does the hex lug lock the barrel into place?
That reinforcing lug, is it something that a competent gunsmith can install? I've also noticed some very slight play in the barrel (back and forth) when the slide is pulled back, which I assume is normal. Does the hex lug lock the barrel into place?
"Does the hex lug lock the barrel into place?"
No, it just takes the punishment from the locking lug impact when the slide returns to battery position - steel against steel instead of steel against aluminum.
If you remove the slide/barrel and look down into the frame, you can see the surface that it protects - Which is the area on the frame that the locking lug strikes. The cracked aluminum frames usually happened there before the lug was added to bolster the face of that surface.
Here is a "quick & dirty picture from my P1 of the lug:
No, it just takes the punishment from the locking lug impact when the slide returns to battery position - steel against steel instead of steel against aluminum.
If you remove the slide/barrel and look down into the frame, you can see the surface that it protects - Which is the area on the frame that the locking lug strikes. The cracked aluminum frames usually happened there before the lug was added to bolster the face of that surface.
Here is a "quick & dirty picture from my P1 of the lug:
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