beerslurpy
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There is some pistol and shotgun mixxed in here, but in the spirit of democracy, I went with rifles, since they had the numbers.
Took along:
-the AK (bulgie SLR101 post ban converted) with a bunch of 40 rd mags
-the P3AT with a little pile of FMJ and a box of gold dots
-the saiga 12 gauge and a big can full of S&B 00 buckshot
Also saw and shot:
-a prototype of a new 50 cal rifle that I dare say is much better than the barret and probably than half as expensive once production starts
1) the AK. Wanted to be sure that the gun was shooting straight and quantify the accuracy. I tried shooting at 100 yards and although all the bullets went inside the targeting dot on my PKAS, the targeting dot is like 2-3 moa so I have no way of knowing if my gun is shooting 1 MOA 2 or 3 or 4 MOA unless I get a different scope. I then tried a new approach of using one of those IDPA man-targets at 50 yards and was able to put about 38 of 40 rds through the head and 80 of 80 through the torso area. I am satisfied that the gun is shooting straight enough. The ulyanovsk ammo continues to be mind blowingly clean and accurate. No jams yet on the AK, although this might be because I give it a once over with a rag every few hundred rounds.
2) The kel-tec P3AT. Shot it for the first time today. Out of about 60 rounds, I had one FTF towards the end and no other problems. The gun is very pleasant to shoot and accureate enough that I would feel confident about hitting COM at 15 yards. The goofy "2 squares" sighting system is actually pretty good for aiming.
3) The shotty. Wanted to test a rumor that S&B buck doesnt feed through the saiga well. Apparently it does. My sore shoulder bears testimony to the awesomely smooth feeding of the S&B cheapie ammo. I tested this after the pistol and it does an amazing job of tearing stuff up. Decent spread at 15 yards. It wont kill like 5 people, but it would probably hit one in lots of places.
4) The 50 cal. Some old guy was there testing out this 50 caliber rifle he made himself (he apparently makes 50 caliber rifles as a hobby and then sells rights to manufacturers). He said Ronnie Barret saw his rifle and was very impressed at the SHOT show. I was similarly impressed. The gun looks like an FG42, feeding sideways from a small box magazine. The gun has a huge titanium muzzle brake and the entire gun itself is very light. The receiver itself acts as a shock aborber as well since it forms an airtight seal once the bolt travels back halfway into this teflon cup/recoil buffer. The recoil was probably half of my 12 gauge, at most. Due to the fact that the barrel is fixed (unlike the barret which moves back and forth when you fire) the gun should be a lot more accurate. It has an adjustable gas system like a FAL and overall the gun looked very nice and was fun to shoot. He told me he was using moderately hot loads of 50 that he made himself. I didnt understand all of what he was saying, but I think he loaded them hot to compensate for using moly on the bullets or something. Im not a reloader. Anyway, he said price would be in the mid 3k range. He said once this one was sent off to be produced he was going to start working no one that fed from an under-barrel box mag. I will see the gun again this sunday at the machine gun shoot.
Took along:
-the AK (bulgie SLR101 post ban converted) with a bunch of 40 rd mags
-the P3AT with a little pile of FMJ and a box of gold dots
-the saiga 12 gauge and a big can full of S&B 00 buckshot
Also saw and shot:
-a prototype of a new 50 cal rifle that I dare say is much better than the barret and probably than half as expensive once production starts
1) the AK. Wanted to be sure that the gun was shooting straight and quantify the accuracy. I tried shooting at 100 yards and although all the bullets went inside the targeting dot on my PKAS, the targeting dot is like 2-3 moa so I have no way of knowing if my gun is shooting 1 MOA 2 or 3 or 4 MOA unless I get a different scope. I then tried a new approach of using one of those IDPA man-targets at 50 yards and was able to put about 38 of 40 rds through the head and 80 of 80 through the torso area. I am satisfied that the gun is shooting straight enough. The ulyanovsk ammo continues to be mind blowingly clean and accurate. No jams yet on the AK, although this might be because I give it a once over with a rag every few hundred rounds.
2) The kel-tec P3AT. Shot it for the first time today. Out of about 60 rounds, I had one FTF towards the end and no other problems. The gun is very pleasant to shoot and accureate enough that I would feel confident about hitting COM at 15 yards. The goofy "2 squares" sighting system is actually pretty good for aiming.
3) The shotty. Wanted to test a rumor that S&B buck doesnt feed through the saiga well. Apparently it does. My sore shoulder bears testimony to the awesomely smooth feeding of the S&B cheapie ammo. I tested this after the pistol and it does an amazing job of tearing stuff up. Decent spread at 15 yards. It wont kill like 5 people, but it would probably hit one in lots of places.
4) The 50 cal. Some old guy was there testing out this 50 caliber rifle he made himself (he apparently makes 50 caliber rifles as a hobby and then sells rights to manufacturers). He said Ronnie Barret saw his rifle and was very impressed at the SHOT show. I was similarly impressed. The gun looks like an FG42, feeding sideways from a small box magazine. The gun has a huge titanium muzzle brake and the entire gun itself is very light. The receiver itself acts as a shock aborber as well since it forms an airtight seal once the bolt travels back halfway into this teflon cup/recoil buffer. The recoil was probably half of my 12 gauge, at most. Due to the fact that the barrel is fixed (unlike the barret which moves back and forth when you fire) the gun should be a lot more accurate. It has an adjustable gas system like a FAL and overall the gun looked very nice and was fun to shoot. He told me he was using moderately hot loads of 50 that he made himself. I didnt understand all of what he was saying, but I think he loaded them hot to compensate for using moly on the bullets or something. Im not a reloader. Anyway, he said price would be in the mid 3k range. He said once this one was sent off to be produced he was going to start working no one that fed from an under-barrel box mag. I will see the gun again this sunday at the machine gun shoot.
