Wesley Clark and Guns

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Mind boggling. One doesn't graduate from any college, let alone West Point, without studying history. I would think history would be a really big thing at West Point.
One doesn't get stars on one's shoulders in the Army without doing time in the infantry. While not all grunts are gun nuts, a pretty good percentage of them are, even officers.
Being a USMA graduate Army officer, one would expect Clark to have had some exposure to concepts like integrity, responsibility, accountability, honor, and hokey stuff like that. How such a person could willingly ally themselves with the likes of the Clintons, Shumer, Kennedy, Gephardt, the BoxStein twins, Dashle, etc. is truly mind boggling.
 
You can become a general without going through the infantry - there's plenty of support fields that breed officers too. But I think Clark was a combat arms officer. Once you get above a certain level of course, you become less involved in things like weapons qualification and become more of a manager. Clark has been removed from the field for a long time like most high ranking officers. Eventually a gun is just a heavy weight you wear on your pistol belt.
 
I have got 20 some odd guns in the house. I like to hunt. I have grown up with guns all my life, but people who like assault weapons should join the United States Army, we have them.â€
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Great. And people who like cars should be cab drivers :rolleyes:
 
As a fellow graduate of West Point, I have to say that Clark is a twisted, degenerate freak... and I thought so before I had any idea he would try to run for office. A self-serving "political general" in the worst possible sense, and a real scumbag independent of his political "ideas." He did such a bad job in Kosovo that Clinton fired him, which pretty much says it all in my opinion.
 
Sean Smith: He wasn't fired b/c he messed up in Kosovo. He was fired b/c he was taking air time away from the SECDEF and the other cronies in the Clinton cabinet. And it was SECDEF (Cohen--I think) who fired him b/c Clark kept doing end runs around him to Clinton for "favors".

Clark is Clinton's "ideal" general. Keep that in mind when you look at his military career....:barf:
 
"He has about the same chance as the other nine dwarfs. What were their names again?"

I don't think Clark should be taken lightly, I think he will be the most serious threat to Brush's re-election. If Clark turns out to be a "moderate" in most of his political beliefs and there is still an "Iraq problem", with his military record he could defeat Bush in a landslide a year from now. I am waiting to hear what his announced stance is on gun control, that may be the deciding factor for my vote.
 
He's all in favor of guns in the hands of the right people.

One little historical event will be examined at least in the alternative media now that Gen. Clark announced.

Seems the good general was the commanding general of the facilities that provided armored vehicles, troops, and training to Reno during the Waco Siege. Lots and lots of questions have yet to be answered. Inteestingly enough the good general was a so-so ossifer headed no where in particular until his cooperation with the Waco Siege then his star took off. Truly astounding things happen.

I'm working up a list or URL's.
 
(MicroBalrog)
I will keep it in mind when running for Senate (you have to be a U.S. citizen for 5 years, right?).
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Sorry, it's 9. :(

In there an old thread (or a FAQ) that explains what the different legal definitions of "assault rifle" are?

Technically speaking, is there any such thing as an "assault rifle", or does it just mean whatever they're banning this year?
 
Assault rifles are capable of fully automatic fire.

Assault weapon was a term dreamed up by the anti rights people to demonize scary guns with two or more of the Five Deadly Features of Assault Weapons: pistol grip, grenade launcher, collapsing stock, flash hider and bayonet lug (gasp!).
 
The NY Post article has at least one mistake in it. Clark never said he got a call "from the White House" about Iraq and 9/11. He said that he got calls from "people around the White House" which could mean anyone vaguely affilliated with the administration.

By the way, I think he was right about the Kosovo airport: we have let Russia get away with way, way too much crap over the last 12 years. In going into Kosovo they were violating the terms of earlier agreements. If Gen. Jackson had followed Clark's order, maybe there wouldn't have been a mystery Russian convoy pulling out of Iraq at the end of the war this year. :fire:

I'm going to wait and see what other stories come out.
 
This morning on the radio (not sure if it was NPR or local news, as I switch between them), the newscaster was summing up Clark's positions and said he "supports the right to keep and bear arms".

Yeah, as long as you're in the military or are a hunter.

The disinformation campaign has begun in ernest, and it appears to be doubleplusgood.
 
This morning on the radio (not sure if it was NPR or local news, as I switch between them), the newscaster was summing up Clark's positions and said he "supports the right to keep and bear arms".
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Daniel Shorr on NPR summed him up as being "in favor of abortion rights, affirmative action, and gun control." NPR in general is pretty pumped about him getting in the race.
 
Daniel Shorr on NPR summed him up as being "in favor of abortion rights, affirmative action, and gun control."
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Wow, he's both pro gun control and a supporter of the right to keep and bear arms at the same time!

The news media are great, aren't they?
 
GSB,

Doubting the pronouncements of MiniTru is doubleplusungood. I think you are an oldthinker who unbellyfeels AmSoc. :scrutiny:
 
Clark is the typical politician who goes off on the surface validity of the assault rifle claims but has never really studied the issue. All modern scholarship shows that the banning of the 19 weapons, features, mag capcity limits, etc. have had no effect on crime.

Thus, he thinks he can suck up to the ducky wucky hunters or drunk morons who go out for a couple of days at deer season as his show of support to "gun folks". Clinton did that too!

He has no chance anyway. There was an interesting column by David Broder that said it was too bad that Al Sharpton was Al Sharpton because he was the only one of the dwarfs that had any balls.

If your house is attacked by skeet then Clark is your guy.
 
re Genera Clark on guns

The following quote is attributed to Mr., formerly General Clark, lately candidate for high public office, the highest in this country.

"I have got 20 some odd guns in the house. I like to hunt. I have grown up with guns all my life, but people who like assault weapons should join the United States Army, we have them.â€

Letting slide, this perhaps a major error on my part, the facts of life re "assult weapoins", real as well as those incorrectly so characterized by some, for emotional appeal value, the following thoughts come to mind.

1. Re promotions in the military (Army), it has been alleged, perhaps correctly, that promotions up to and including the rank of Colonel can be obtained on the basis of demonstrated ability. Promotions to General Officer Rank, while ability hopefully figures therein, are essentially political in nature. One needs the proverbial "rabbi", possibly more than one "rabbi" being necessary.

2. Green, inexperienced Second Lt's. are more of less expected to say and within certain limits, to do dumb things. I have been told that such is more or less, the nature of the beast, as Second Lt's. usually don't know much about anything.

General Clark is neither stupid, nor has he, for a great many years, been a green, inexperienced Second Lt., so one wonders as to exactly why he made the above quoted, really dumb statement? Could it possibly that the "rabbi(s)" that pushed him to four star rank, deserted him, having failed to innoculate him against that most serious of political diseases, the Hoof In Mouth Syndrome? One wonders.
 
Has anyone else ever seen this?

http://johntitor.com/

I know it is all far fetched and it seems like a crazy hoax from a few years back, but read the part on the revolt and war told by this "time traveler".
With all this talk about Hitlery and Clark, this is beginning to not seem so far fetched. Coincedence? You decide.

Please don't call me a nut or one of the black helicopter crowd, because I usually dismiss these kind of things as very creative writting or escaped psycho patients, but with what is going on recently, it made me think of this again. I have a friend that is really into this weird stuff and I avoid talking with him about things like this. Usually, I just laugh at his wild rantings and accusations, but this time it made me do a double take.
 
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