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US to Try to Shoot Down Spy Satellite

Feb 14, 6:51 PM (ET)

By LOLITA C. BALDOR

WASHINGTON (AP) - Taking a page from Hollywood science fiction, the Pentagon said Thursday it will try to shoot down a dying, bus-sized U.S. spy satellite loaded with toxic fuel on a collision course with the Earth.

The military hopes to smash the satellite as soon as next week - just before it enters Earth's atmosphere - with a single missile fired from a Navy cruiser in the northern Pacific Ocean.

The dramatic maneuver may well trigger international concerns, and U.S. officials have begun notifying other countries of the plan - stressing that it does not signal the start of a new American anti-satellite weapons program.

Military and administration officials said the satellite is carrying fuel called hydrazine that could injure or even kill people who are near it when it hits the ground. That reason alone, they said, convinced President Bush to order the shoot-down.

"That is the only thing that breaks it out, that is worthy of taking extraordinary measures," said Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, during a Pentagon briefing.

He predicted a fairly high chance - as much as 80 percent - of hitting the satellite, which will be about 150 miles up when the shot is fired. The window of opportunity for taking the satellite down, Cartwright said, opens in three or four days and lasts for about seven or eight days.

"We'll take one shot and assess," he said. "This is the first time we've used a tactical missile to engage a spacecraft."

Deputy National Security Adviser James Jeffrey discounted comparisons to an anti-satellite test conducted by the Chinese last year that triggered criticism from the U.S. and other countries.

"This is all about trying to reduce the danger to human beings," Jeffrey said. "Specifically, there was enough of a risk for the president to be quite concerned about human life."

There might also be unstated military aims, some outside the administration suggested.

Similar spacecraft re-enter the atmosphere regularly and break up into pieces, said Ivan Oelrich, vice president for strategic security programs at the Federation of American Scientists. He said, "One could be forgiven for asking if this is just an excuse to test an anti-satellite weapon."

A key issue when China shot down its defunct weather satellite was that it created an enormous amount of space debris.

"All of the debris from this encounter, as carefully designed as it is, will be down at most within weeks, and most of it will be down within the first couple of orbits afterward," said Jeffrey. "There's an enormous difference to spacefaring nations in ... those two things."

He and others dismissed suggestions that this was simply an attempt by the U.S. to flex its muscles, and that officials were overstating the toxic fuel threat.

Left alone, the satellite would be expected to hit Earth during the first week of March. About half of the 5,000-pound spacecraft would be expected to survive its blazing descent through the atmosphere and would scatter debris over several hundred miles.

If the missile shot is successful, officials said, much of the debris would burn up as it fell. They said they could not estimate how much would make it through the atmosphere. They said the largest piece that would survive re-entry would be the spherical fuel tank, which is about 40 inches wide - assuming it is not hit directly by the missile.

The goal, however, is to hit the fuel tank in order to minimize the amount of fuel that returns to Earth, Cartwright said.

A Navy missile known as Standard Missile 3 would be fired at the spy satellite in an attempt to intercept it just before it re-enters Earth's atmosphere. It would be "next to impossible" to hit the satellite after that because of atmospheric disturbances, he said.

Known by its military designation US 193, the satellite was launched in December 2006. It lost power and its central computer failed almost immediately afterward, leaving it uncontrollable. It carried a sophisticated and secret imaging sensor.

Software associated with the Standard Missile 3 has been modified to enhance the chances of the missile's sensors recognizing that the satellite is its target. The missile's designed mission is to shoot down ballistic missiles, not satellites. Other officials said the missile's maximum range, while a classified figure, is not great enough to hit a satellite operating in normal orbits.

"It's a one-time deal," Cartwright said when asked whether the modified Standard Missile 3 should be considered a new U.S. anti-satellite technology.

He said that if an initial shoot-down attempt fails, the military would have about two days to reassess and decide whether to take a second shot.

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin told reporters that analysis shows the hydrazine tank would survive a fall to Earth under normal circumstances, much as one did when the Space Shuttle Columbia crashed.

"The hydrazine which is in it is frozen solid, as it is now. Not all of it will melt," he said. If the tank hits the ground it will have been breached because the fuel lines will have broken off and hydrazine will vent out, he said.

Jeffrey said members of Congress were briefed on the plan earlier Thursday and that diplomatic notifications to other countries were being made by the end of the day.

"It should be understood by all, at home and abroad, that this is an exceptional circumstance and should not be perceived as the standard U.S. policy for dealing with errant satellites," said House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton.
 
It is military posturing. China has been beefing up its capabilities recently. China also demonstrated it can shoot down satellites last year.

The government can give whatever BS reason for international purposes, but in the end it is simply military posturing. Eventualy we will face another cold war with China as they modernize and become the worlds biggest power in the future.
They have a ways to go, but are progressing faster than most other nations did.
They have much of the technology available that the US does, and when they need something they do not have they seem to have no trouble infiltrating the US and gaining access to technology that is all that gives us an advantage.
They have far more people, many many resources, and great technology.
They also are not a free nation, and can direct thier population in the direction they wish at an unbelievable rate, controlling media and popular belief and feelings.

In an actual war I think our society would crumble with free press (just look what happened following 9/11 now imagine nukes in several major cities instead of a couple buildings being taken down), and much of thiers would retain more morale believing what the government fed to them and keeping thier economy going longer. In any prolonged engagement they might well prevail, especialy if they overtake and eclipse our capabilities in the next couple decades like it appears they will.
Our government has long tip toed around China. Don't forget the reason North and South Korea are still divided is because China came in on the side of the North and pushed our butts back into the sea. We then negotiated the current DMZ line dividing the two.
In China's civil war we backed the side that lost as well, and the Communists took over and our side fled to Taiwan. China still claims Taiwan as part of China, and only our promise to back them stands in the way. There has been a long standing tension that has been intentionaly kept out of public sentiment between our nations.
 
SM-3...

like this

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wonder if anything I tested is on that boat...?
 
Military and administration officials said the satellite is carrying fuel called hydrazine that could injure or even kill people who are near it when it hits the ground. That reason alone, they said, convinced President Bush to order the shoot-down.

Right right. It has nothing to do with the beyond-state-of-the-art imaging systems and components in that thing. Not a thing. Nope.
 
A .50 caliber muzzle loader will take down that satellite, just like it is capable of downing commercial aircraft. **sarcasm off**

A key issue when China shot down its defunct weather satellite was that it created an enormous amount of space debris.

How will this be different? The satellite is flying ballistically, not aerodynamically. Filling it full of holes isn't going to it down. Let it burn and crash into the ocean.
 
It'll just create 50k MORE orbital objects cruising around at 26k miles per hour.

I just hope one of those cameras lands on my roof.
 
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