What is the big deal with IPSC?

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Correia- didn't really think you were singling me out, but when I read what you wrote, I did notice it seemed like i was making a judgment on an entire sport through attendance at only one match.
So I just did want to clarify.
Everynow and then I'll shoot a closer idpa match than the much farther away ipsc match (15 mins vs almost 2 hour drive) I dont think it's run all that efficiently, but then again, neither is the ipsc match run on that same day, so I may as well stay close, then go shoot some skeet or trap after.

Then stop at mcdonalds, and work on my gut.
 
I'm confused...
A typical IDPA match for us will attract 8-10 shooters, include 3 stages, and last about 2.5-3 hours. The IPSC match, OTOH, had about 25 shooters and was only half-finished after 2.5 hours
By those descriptions, I'd expect you to be asking the opposite quesiton, i.e. "what is the big deal with IDPA?" I can't imagine why anyone would bother showing up to a 3-stage, 10-shooter, 3-hour match unless it was free or all the competitors were good buddies.
 
then stop at mcdonalds, and work on my gut.

Can I come Matt????

Any of you New England shooters that want to try an IDPA type match there is a fun time every February at the Nashua NH R&G Club. About 150 rounds outside in the snow (lost brass :neener: ) And a rifle match too. They bill it as the "Polar Bear Match" This year Feb 07.

Happy New year,

Gary
 
of course Gary, the menu consists of, Sausage & Egg McGriddle & 2 hasbrowns for before match, and a 2 nuggets box after the match, with bbq sauce, lots of bbq sauce.
Just as my gun needs oil, my arteries need grease.

Nashua eh? Might have to see just how far away you are.
 
Looks like ya did.
Nice meeting you, great to be able to put a face with a name.
And the McDonalds around the corner from S&W actually still offers the 50 McNuggets package, although it isn't listed on the menu, it was suggested I get the 50 rather than 2 20s since the cost would be the same by the counter person. YUM!
 
I miss that Macdonalds. Did you know the building next to that mcdonalds is where Peerless Handcufs are made?

owen
 
Haven't tried IPSC yet. Defer as such to what you all say.

Read on the forums about the differences between IDPA and IPSC - was brought by friend to a well run IDPA match - to wit, the Turlock Sportsmens Club in Turlock, CA... I was sold. Turns out Allen is a great stage designer - according to all the senior guys _and_ me.

Seeing stages like Skunks' plate shooting videos, I can understand that these can't hurt in terms of getting trigger time, but they way they didn't even try to simulate a 'common' scenario for SD/HD bother me.

IPSC people - any of you use your primary race gun for home defense?
 
IPSC people - any of you use your primary race gun for home defense?

My primary IPSC and 3Gun pistol for the last year has been my single-stack 1911 which does CCW and "house" duty, too.

I don't see anything wrong with using a "Limited" gun for SD/HD: it's just a double-stack 1911 with iron sights and a 3# trigger.

-z
 
IPSC people - any of you use your primary race gun for home defense?
If you're reffering to open guns, no I don't shoot open class, but I do have Glocks that I use for limited, L10 and production class. And yes, its my primary HD gun also.
 
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Can't say I use any gun for home defense as i've thankfully never had to defend the home.

Would I use my open class gun to respond to a home invasion or threat in the home? Yes, if it were the closest one to me at the time, and i'd be most comfortable to use it in such a situation, as it's the one I have the most confidence in my ability with, and that seems more important to me than anything else.
 
Seeing stages like Skunks' plate shooting videos, I can understand that these can't hurt in terms of getting trigger time, but they way they didn't even try to simulate a 'common' scenario for SD/HD bother me.
I think that sums up the difference between people who consider themselves "IDPA shooters" and people who consider themselves "<some other action pistol sport> shooters". To the former, the training/practice-for-real-life element is the raison d'etre for the entire exercise. To the latter, fun and/or competition itself are the prime elements.

The fact that IPSC and steel aren't "realistic" never even enters my mind. They're games, and as such all they need to be is fun, everything else is just details.
 
"NEXT WITNESS, PLEASE"

Nice to meet you too.

I drove 200 miles Sunday to shoot an IPSC match. Through snow and fog and ice. No, really. Shot my primary 'race gun', an 1911, From moo. 8-rd'ers, too.

Mattjoe slaughtered me. His gun looks old. He looks 'average American' LOL.
Me? I looked (and shot) like crap. It was great.

I once drove to an IDPA match. It was fun. Stupid rules, though. So I shot another. It was fun, too, but the rules were still stupid.
I don't mind stupid rules. In IPSC, either. I get to shoot.
 
Hey Tim
Ya know what I hate most about nearly all the shooting sports aside from skeet and trap?
Waiting for the scores.
There really is no excuse for a long wait for scores when a computer is involved, you just plug the numbers in, the scores are done.
That match had something like 60-70 people, that should result in 3 hours at most to score the match. They turned down my offer to do it for $1 shooter and have results up same day.
Last time it took them nearly a month, that's inexcusable. It's been a week now, lets hope the results aren't that much longer coming.
I know they are still sort of new to running matches out there, but one thing they need to know is the match service doesn't end when you're done shooting. It ends when all the scores are submitted to uspsa headquarters. I appreciate what they are trying to do, but delaying scores this long is exactly what drives people away from showing up and supporting their club by shooting the match.
I want to shoot again in February, and hope to see you there, but if it takes 2 weeks to get the scores up, no way.

As for Peerless handcuffs- those have fuzzy pink fur on them?
 
"SHOOT! SCORE!"

I went to one club to shoot their classifier match and waited the entire summer for the results.

Our club (www.gmps.ws) has the results up the same day.
The same day.
The same day.

I don't really mind waiting for results, but I prefer they come soon. I understand that a volunteer does the work, so I feel I'm not entitled to complain.

I should add that the first thing I did this morning after connecting was go check to see if the results were up, then I checked the USPSA site to see if the monthly update was done.

I plan on being there Feb 1, just because I love the ranges.......
 
I prefer IDPA for its more realistic scenarios . . . or perhaps I should say "less UNrealistic" since I don't delude myself into believing it's REAL training for a gunfight. At least it winks at practicality, and most guys compete with the pistol & holster they wore to the match. (Yes, some of the rules ARE stupid, but that's a topic for another thread.) IDPA today is kind of what IPSC was a couple of decades ago. (Not to be a name dropper, but that's what Ray Chapman told me. He was IPSC world champion back in the mid-70's.)

I shoot IPSC from time to time, just for fun. IPSC doesn't even PRETEND to be practical any more - I mean, I see guys who have velcro straps around their race guns when they're not on the line, just to keep them from falling off (I won't say "out") of the "holsters" while they're walking around - they peel back the velcro just as they step up to the firing line. On the other hand, IPSC categories for "stock" and "limited 10" allow for practical guns.

IDPA seems to favor accuracy over speed, IPSC seems to favor speed over accuracy.

The top tier of IPSC shooters are VERY good - many are pro or semi-pro - and will probably win most IDPA matches they deign to attend.
 
Tim- actually, you are entitled to complain, you're not only a competitor, you're a customer. You paid to shoot the match, you expect the rest of the service to be provided.
I do the scores for Manville in RI, I get up early, get to the range, do set up, shoot the match, tear it down, put it all away, then i go shooting elsewhere, and then I have to do the scores that night. Makes for a long day, but I know I want to know where I finished, and everyone else must want to know where they finished too.
It's only fair to the customers that scores be provided promptly. I can honestly understand them coming out the following weekend, as maybe someone goes and shoots sunday, then life takes them till next weekend before they have a chance to do the scores. But after that next weekend, they're late.
 
mattjoe,

I really REALLY disagree with your saying that the shooter is a customer. Most every match I go to is put on by total volunteers. most people are way to lazy to help out. I then think it is ridiculous for someone who did nothing bitch that their scores took more than a few hours. I DO think that scores should be up after the match is done though. It really doesnt take much for that to be done. A laptop at the range and one person who also shot can easily do this. I think many people have this customer idea and dont realize that those setting up everything and doing everything arent getting anything out of it. I doubt most people would be willing to pay the increase for this to be done either. Of course even if you are a volunteer you really shouldnt be a slackass.

HankB,

The top guys win both like you said. Gun handeling is the same with ANY gun. Being good with one will make you good with another.
 
I shoot IDPA every week(this sunday is our 3rd anniversary match)..I want to try IPSC but it's only on sat mornings around here and I work then.....any time I get to shoot is good....I usually finish toward the top in my IDPA club,but I'm sure I'd be way low in IPSC...my reloads suck and my speed is only OK.......still want to try it tho........let's face it ,to have an actual REAL senario,we'd be using our 5 shot snubbies,running for our lives and screamming:D
It is a game (both IDPA and IPSC)but you will learn to shoot you gun fast and accurately...and that's a good thing........if I get attacked by cardboard guys w/ circles in the middle,they're goin' down baby:cool:
 
Our home club does results at the end of the match and does plaques if the folks are still there. One club does results and awards your choice of plaque or match credit. Hmm, let me think here...anyways, haven't paid to shoot there in a while. These guys often have the results on the internet before I complete my 3 hour drive(2.5 hours more tahn I'll drive for IDPA) home. Another good local club has gotten the results in to HQ so quickly they were in the update three days after I shot.

Then there is the other side. Some clubs take a month to post scores. Some don't put them on the 'net. Some take two months to get to Sedro. Worst, some don't want to run a classifier every month. It seems nitpicky, but if you do any of these things shooters will not come in droves. So, if you want a good club, volunteer to help so someone can be a full-time stats guy.
 
Jeeper- I am a volunteer and I see everyone who i volunteer to set up the match at my home club and do the scores for as customers, they are paying for a service, even if we who are setting it up aren't getting paid for it. Will i offer to do other clubs work? yes, for a real nominal fee, not as a volunteer. I'd take the 4 hours max to score a 60- 70 person match for $1/shooter. Thats no big thing.
Sure they're customers, they pay an entry fee, they are given a match. That doesn't preclude them from taping and brassing, as help must be given during the match. Does it mandate they stick around to help rip it all down and put it away after? No, i dont expect that, but do know that a few regular people always stick around and help because they know what it takes to run a match, and that help is greatly appreciated.

I have no problem with scores taking more than a few hours, I honestly think they should be up same night, but if it's next weekend, thats fine, I know people have lives outside of shooting. We live in an internet age, not like they need to be printed out and mailed to people now. I hold everyone to the same standard I hold myself to when it comes to fulfilling the commitment to the service provided. And in my case it's having decent stages set up, a match that starts on time, and timely results, no later than 24 hours for my matches results because I have control over that. And I figure I want to know how I did, so everyone else must want to know how they did also, best to provide them with that.

Joe- Regarding the scores sent in to Sedro- this is a complicated thing, as often times it looks like it was the clubs fault, and sometimes it is, but the deadlines are what can screw thigns up.
for example, we are supposed to have the scores in within 30 days after the match, but if they arrive there after the 10th of the month, then they wont show up on the next update.
So let's say your match is the the 1st sunday of the month, on say the 6th, call it January. You should print everything up, send it in, and lets say you take 29 days to do it, mail it on the 5th of February, and it doesnt arrive till the 11th, the database gets update around the 19th of that month, and you see your score isnt in there, now you're waiting till the 19th of March till your score is in there because the time for entering the scores has a cut off date. Is it ideal? No, but it works for them.
Of course if the club has everything done same day, and uploads the scores to the website on the same night, then excellent, you'll be in there right away, but i think this is rarely done.
 
rock jock. I could say the same thing about my first IDPA match, but I went to another club and it was fine.
Also doesn't sound like you went with a very open mind. Sounds like you bought into the IDPA vs IPSC crap before you got to a match.
I shoot both and have no trouble with the clubs or people. Try another club or that club another day. Don't worry about what other people shoot.
They are both games. Neither is "tactical" or "realistic". I don't agree with all of the rules from either but thats the rules. I really don't agree with bill wilson, but I have to play by those rules to shoot with my friends.
And the cool thing about IPSC, IDPA etc. If you don't like it don't shoot it. Some people don't like shooting more the one type of game.
 
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