What should I say to the Executive Vice President of First Data?

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browning, would the money be returned to the rightful owner after a period of time?
 
The letter suggest Citi has a complete misunderstanding of what makes a legal gun sale. I would start the conversation by making the assumption that this is a legit (if incredibly stupid) misunderstanding, and that Citi will drop their objections once properly educated. That would be a good way to try to keep everything friendly and amenable...if you kick off by accusing him/her of being an evil gungrabber, things probably won't go well (and if he/she/Citi really is an evil gungrabber, than it won't matter what you say anyway).
 
I will be changing financial institutions this week. My Debit card has CITI emblem on it, and this explains why the last two times I tried to use it at the Gun Club failed. I am going to also seek local redress with the BBB.
 
Wow.

My Home Depot card is from Citi. A quick check online shows that they also provide cards for Bloomingdale's, Sears, Macy's and Staples... plus Citgo, ExxonMobile, and Phillips 66 - Conoco - 76 gas cards.

I'm guessing that more THR members might have Citi accounts than at first thought.

I'm also thinking that (if this is all true) these 8 or so companies might have something to say if their customers cancelled their cards because of Citi's 2A stance.

May be interesting times ahead. :scrutiny:
 
I have two Citi cards, and have had them for a long time. They are the only credit cards I use, and I use them for everything. I've purchased all of my firearms and most of my accessories and ammunition with them.

I would like to be certain that this is Citi's position, and not just First Data's edict using the Citi name, before I terminate my relationship with them. If it's just First Data then I'm not sure closing my accounts would hurt them, as they are a merchant services company.
 
Elmo,

I think when Ms. Rivera gets the shredded remains of our Sears Citi cards (an account that's more than 10 years old), the cover letter will explain everything pretty well. I've called several times and left polite messages requesting a callback to discuss the situation, but for some strange reason I haven't heard from her.

Please tell the Veep that, or PM me his/her office address if you'd rather we sent him/her the remains of our Citi cards.

I'D RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH CDNN THAN CITI! Tell 'em that.

lpl/nc
 
Wow.

My Home Depot card is from Citi. A quick check online shows that they also provide cards for Bloomingdale's, Sears, Macy's and Staples... plus Citgo, ExxonMobile, and Phillips 66 - Conoco - 76 gas cards.
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Thankfully I don't shop at or have cards to any of those places.
 
What would I say to the VP of First Data?

I could only hope he was standing next to me. Here's what I would ask him:

"Around what figure do you think your stock will bottom out at because of this policy?"

A possible follow up question could be:

"By the way, they don't pay you in stock options do they?"
 
It looks as if Citi group has no idea of the law

People ship handguns all the time, what "ban" are they talking about?

I worked as security at Citigroup, one Sansome st San Francisco in the late 1990's.

Their policy was to have unarmed guards confront armed assailants, I told my
supervisor that there is no way in ...er..heck I am going to anything like that.

I would have never opened a citi account anyway due to their management
policy of expecting unarmed guards to die for them while they treat them like dirt.

The only thing I want you to tell him is that when the crazed gunman storms SF HQ at one Sansome, security is running away and letting you fend for yourself!

I only have one credit card and it aint citi, I will however strive to not do any biz with any citi subsidiary.
 
What can you say?

In all seriousness, what can you possibly say that might change your cousin's mind?


I've got a cousin of mostly similar bent, and twisted logic (Being a die-hard BDSer, ranting and raving about "tax cuts for the rich" didn't stop my cousin from magically sheltering and protecting the Father-In-Law's estate (about a $5M USD windfall). "But, they'd have taxed OVER HALF! I can't afford that! They'd have taken EVERYTHING!").

I can't think of a thing that I could say to get through to my cousin. Even my ribbing about "Gee, ain'tcha glad for those cuts now that you're the 'rich'"?...) failed to get through.

Your cousin spent a lot of time deciding how to do this thing. Facts - won't matter.

Logic - irrelevant. This is about nothing more than proving what they can do. Oh, you want guns? Well, not if payment's going through us.

Soon, insurance? Not if you've got guns. Employment? Sign here, please, testifying that you don't own guns. Our lawyers advised us.


No, seriously, there's nothing _useful_ you can say to your cousin.

Sorry. I hope you do say something, but it's not going to change anything.

So cut loose.
 
Your cousin spent a lot of time deciding how to do this thing. Facts - won't matter.

Logic - irrelevant. This is about nothing more than proving what they can do. Oh, you want guns? Well, not if payment's going through us.

Soon, insurance? Not if you've got guns. Employment? Sign here, please, testifying that you don't own guns. Our lawyers advised us.


No, seriously, there's nothing _useful_ you can say to your cousin.

Sorry. I hope you do say something, but it's not going to change anything.

So cut loose.
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Addison,

We do not yet know that the OP's cousin is the author of this "policy". The OP offered to discuss the issue wuth simeone who may have enough juice to reverse the action and correct the thinking of the person who authored the letter to CDNN - or just cut that person loose as an unwanted liability.

Let's give the OP and their cousin some time to discuss the issue and see what develops. If nothing else, Citi - via the cousin - should be getting the word that there is a small but vocal group who are outraged and willing to move their $$ elsewhere if the policy is not revoked.

Patience. We can always reheat the tar if need be.:evil:

stay safe.

skidmark
 
Skidmark:

Based on what the OP said, the cousin would have had input into this.

I appreciate the concept of "waiting to see", but based on my experience in bureaucracies, family, businesses, by the time something like this occurs, it is either a well-planned decision, or a off-the-cuff cock block by some lowlife in the chain.

Given the legal ramifications of seizing money, I cannot imagine it's the latter.

Even if it was the latter, I think the bureaucracy's plan will be to double-down on the policy.

I just can't feel optimistic that the OP will be able to get across to the cousin a point that will cause the OP's cousin to reverse course. It's just not likely in the nature of the cards. The OP asked for suggestions and help for ways to convince the cousin - my opinion is it's a done deal.

I'd love to be wrong, but given the position and relative power, Citi's going to shrug off this momentary bad press, just as they have every other shafting of consumers, and juggernaught ahead.

IMO, of course.
 
Left a message with the assistant. It's sad he/she wont return a cousins call.

FYI, I am not trying to convince, more so than asking key questions and their reasoning for their position on the subject.
 
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