What weapons do you recommend for non-gun people

[JShirley]

I never said no one had to aim a shotgun so I will not be defending that bit of wrong conventional wisdom.

Hooah. I'm a righty, but I still prefer the Mossy's safety, too.

John

 

[rudolf]

A machete is about as bad as it gets.

 

[ghost squire]

The Reload Bench says Some say the 7.62 x 39mm is equal in power to the .30-30 Winchester but this is not quite true. Although heavier bullets can be loaded in this cartridge, velocity is quite low since it was designed to push bullets from 120 to 125 grains to just over 2300 fps. In other words, no 7.62 x 39mm load can equal the .30-30 when its loaded with a 170 grain bullet.

In other words, those who claim similar power levels are being disingenuous.

Amazing, you take something that directly contradicts what you said and attempt to turn it in your favor.

You said it would not be wise to use heavy bullets. I never claimed the 7.62x39 was more powerful with heavier bullets, but as I said they are about equal with standard 125 grain loads.

I'll watch and laugh as you change your stance to include 170 grain bullets as not heavy for the .30-30. 125s are on the lighter end for both cartridges, and they are about equal in that respect.

 

[KriegHund]

For the third time on this forum...

Cant beat a short spear and shortsword.

 

[hso]

If, and that's a big if, after they put all the anti break-in modifications in place they have any interest in defending themselves a short spear could be of great value. Readily available, simple to learn the basics, not restricted by space.

 

[Sharpdogs]

I will try and get them to put in all the "anti-theft" modifications, but HSO is right, it's still a big if. I did purchase them some pepper foam. Apparently pepper foam is supposed to be better to use than pepper spray indoors. A short spear, machete and dog poo on a stick are only viable options for people who do not have access to a firearm and are willing to defend themselves. I hope the motion lights, deadbolts, etc. will lead criminals to look for easier targets. The pepper foam and flashlights are just to buy them enought time to grab their cell, call 911 and/or get out of the house.

 

[colt.45]

ok heres what you do:

1.buy a beware of dog sign

2.get some sise 14 boots and dirty em up good and put em on your porch

3.put a sticky note that says, not home right now, went to go get more ammo, if this is bubba try not to wake the pitbulls theyve ben fighting

4. leave the t.v. on with pro wrestling on real loud amd perhaps play a little metalica

other than that, if they dont like guns then tell them to get over it and buy them a cheap pistol or shottie and teach em how to use it

 

[Boom-stick]

I still can't believe you still have anti-gun people in the US.
When I was over there in '97, I worked as a riflery instructor at a summer camp, teaching kids to shoot.

It was like trying to teach fish to swim

 

[goon]

Boom-stick - We have idiots everywhere.

 

[JShirley]

My point being- using the source you quoted- that the .30-30 is not considered an intermediate cartridge, despite its lessened power when using lighter weight bullets.

 

[mrmeval]

Don't forget to set out plants that cause pain.

This one sounds quite evil but it's Austrailian

http://www.futureofcairns.net/CS/photos/plants/picture88.aspx