Why Different "Light" 9mm?

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Some ammo companies produce both 115gr and 124gr JHPs in 9mm. For example, Speer Gold Dots come in 115 and 124 in addition to 147. Why? I can understand "heavy" (usually 147gr) vs. light, but why 2 different lighter weights? Is 124 significantly different than 115? Why don't they drop whichever is "second best"?

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I believe it has to do with different velocities, they all preform their best when kept to them. Of course you would have to chrony your loads from your barrel and see what the Mfg. suggests for optimum performance.
 
So we can load them both and take them to the range to see which one shoots better! Sheesh, ain't it obvious?
 
I personally can't stand 115 grain bullets, at least in hollowpoints, and if you want pointed style FMJ, you prolly need 124s.
The problem, the way I heard it explained, is that bullets go through a temporary de-stabilization when they drop under the sound barrier.

That's why FOR ME, I have the best accuracy results with magnum handguns, anything around 1200-1300 FPS, or really light loads that were subsonic to begin with.

In other words, big and slow= 230 grain (800 FPS or so...).45 acp heavy bullet at below speed of sound. Lobbing trajectory, predictable results, accurate.

Light and fast=125 grain .357 magnum light bullet at speeds that are likely to STAY supersonic until the bullet gets to the target (1450 FPS!!). Flat (For a pistol.) trajectory, devastating results, accurate.

The problem for me is 'compromise' bullets.
Take .40, for instance.
A 155-165 grain bullet, at 1150 FPS is likely to start out supersonic, and mid-flight drop to subsonic about the time stabilization is critical. (Provided you shoot at 25 yards.)

Avoiding the hypothetical de-stabilization, among other reasons, like bullet design, bearing surface, intended use, feeding in picky semi-autos.
They, and many more are very good reasons that you'll find many bullet weights in most calibers.
Some of the bullet weights don't always appear necessary, but to some people, your choices aren't going to serve their needs.
 
At typical shooting range distances, this de-stabilization effect is not going to be a major problem, but this phenomenon explains some things for me, like why 165 grain bullets at 1250 (10mm) are more accurate for me than the same 165 grain bullets at 1150 (.40 S&W).
Is that the whole reason?
Can't say.
 
Incase anyone wants to know...

Speed of sound at sea level is 740 mph or approximately 1085 fps. To stablize a bullet that will leave the barrel at 1200 fps it must reach the speed of sound and have enough barrel left to restablize before leaving the muzzle. If it doesn't...eratic down range results. One of the reasons that .38 specials and .45 ACPs are so accruate is because they never or seldom ever reach the speed of sound. :scrutiny: I have not noted any destablization problem of a 140 grain bullet (.357 mag) running at 1400 fps down range of 100 yards shot from a Ruger 6 1/2" barrel.
 
That is the speed of sound, at 0 degrees C.
The speed of sound at 25 degrees C is just a little more than 1100 FPS, at least, the way I was taught.
I just figure on 1100, and try to stay under 950 or over 1250.
I really think that's why .40 isn't as accurate as .45, the .40 has to deal with dropping below the speed of sound mid-flight.
What ever the actual speed of sound is, I don't really need a formula for figuring it out.
I just give it a lot of room.
 
You guys are making this too complicated.
115 and 124 in addition to 147. Why? I can understand "heavy" (usually 147gr) vs. light, but why 2 different lighter weights?
Marketing.
 
Hey cas223...Shall we argue over 15 fps? :D L O L I love to argue. It gets my blood pressure up to where I can measure it(120/70 age 62). :neener:L O L
 
I was being nice, or at least trying.
I typed in the m/s and converted it and got 1138 at 20 degrees c.
The link above sez 1127 or so, at 20c.
That's not exact.
But it's close enough for me.
I like being corrected if I'm not accurate, it keeps me honest.
Also, wrong data tends to get searched and louses up ideas and projects.
The link that Logistar provided corrected us both.
Thanks for the correction, Logistar.

Just had my BP taken a few weeks ago, something like 144/80.
Don't remember exactly. I'm getting scenile already.
And I'm in my mid-30's.
I gotta cut back on the fast food.
 
cas223...You one of those that has to load 10,000 rounds an hour? That might be why your B/P is that high. L O L...No problem on the correction. I have been using that stat for a number of years because I hunt in the West. North and south and it can get mighty cold once in a while and it is an easy number to round off and you did. ;)

By the way...It's easy to get off fast food. Stop eating at mc donald"s...They suck anyway. Give me a bloody steak, mashed potatoes and gravy. steamed veggie and a green salad. Chase with a glass of milk and a tooth pick. I'm Happy... :D
 
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