Why the gun is civilization

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Owen Sparks

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Someone sent me this excellent article of unknown origin written by Marko Enfield. I think it is an outstanding summation of the libertarian logic behind the Second Amendment.
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Why the gun is civilization.

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Marko Enfield
 
I think his whole argument is False. If the premise:

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.

were true, we would not have wars, shoot outs, robberies and such. All a gun does is remove the ease in which a person with a gun can make a person without a gun do something he may not want to do. It gives no magical immunity to violence/ force in of itself. If he thinks that carrying a gun means that he can not be forced to do something I would venture to say he has not lived much.
 
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.

I have a couple of nits to pick here. Having a gun does not negate an others ability to deal with me by force, but paired with the will to use it, a gun does give me a greatly enhanced ability to but up a good resistance to force. No promise of success but it does increase the odds on my side of the equation!
 
An interesting read, but the premise is based upon fallacy:
Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

This claim is a hasty generalization at best and completely unsubstantiated.

Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

Huh? Force can be a valid (who defines valid, by the way?) method of interaction, I believe it is necessary for LEOs to perform their jobs, thereby helping maintain an orderly society. As for a firearm being the only means of countering force, maybe for the weak minded. Many of us are familiar and subscribe to a force continuum, which includes "non-force" or not being present.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.

Umm, yes I can.

Interesting, yes, but valid, no: the author's argument is flawed from the beginning and contains too many generalizations.

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DFW1911
 
Yeah, it seemed pretty silly and lightweight to me.

Would have impressed the dickens out of me before about junior year of high school.

To add something to what others have said, I think that culture and social infrastructure possess a power to influence interpersonal relations - a power that in very hard to discern unless/until you've lived long enough in a another culture to begin to recognize your own.

As an example of social infrastructure, I would suggest that for most people, one the strongest deterrents/motivators is their own social standing in their society. When I lived in a North Yemen (by the way, a highly armed society), I asked and old haj something about crime in the city. He said that when everyone knew your family, you were good. In Yemen, bringing dishonor to the family was a very powerful deterrent. It was also the case that if you did bring dishonor to the family, the family would move you back to the village, and you'd never leave the village again.

There are a number of people who would chose death over dishonor (not everyone), which suggests that for them, their own sense of honor may be more important than force.

Mike

Mike
 
Guns plus brains and ability does even things up quite a bit. Also it is a very, very bad thing for one person or one institution to have a monoply on violence. Very bad.

The gun isn't civilization though. If you want to call any one thing civilization then you should look at farming. This will be increasingly apparent as drought and the destruction of arable land continues and it will come to a head when all open polinated crops have been patented and terminator strains prevail. Throw in a little NAIS to take apart what is left of independent livestock and you've got some very uncivilized times ahead.

So keep your guns so nobody can get your goat. Yes, firearms are a very powerful negotiation tool when dealing with people who are otherwise much more powerful than you and who do not have your best interests at heart. Civil disarmament does not breed utopia, it does create a monopoly of force in the hands of those who desire it most and therefore are the least qualified to have it.

I think the gun control debate would end quickly for the average liberal if they ever actually realized that outlawing guns would mean that neocon politicians get a monopoly on force. Right now liberals are thinking in abstract. They somehow have fooled themselves into believing that politicians and their enforcement agents are morally superior to everybody else... hence the notion that only the government should have guns.
 
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