Women and scare tactics

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We get lots of women in the shop buying their first guns. It's a bigger step for women than men, and part of the job for us is to alleviate their nervousness. There's still the notion that "the scary rapist will just take it away and use it on you," and I figured I'd do some digging to find the roots of that.

Let me know if I'm missing any pertinent bits. The original, with links is here.

It may come as a surprise, but lots of women own guns. Many of them can shoot quite well, and more than a few can run loops around their male contemporaries.

I teach quite a few, and it’s often a refreshing experience. Women are more open to criticism, they’re better listeners and eager learners. They’re genuinely concerned with safety and technique, and they don’t generally have any pre-formed misconceptions about what shooting “should” entail.

This isn’t exclusively a man’s world anymore, and we’re all the better for it.

Getting into shooting can be a daunting task for women, though. From childhood, they’re fed chauvinistic claptrap that tells them they’re better off being defended by others. They’re told that the idea of defending themselves is somehow distasteful, and it boils down to a very archaic and stupid mentality that self-sufficiency and independence are unladylike.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. When things go wrong, the only person you can truly depend on is yourself. Gender doesn’t make a difference.

Of course, to hear it from the left, women can’t operate guns, and they’ll only end up hurting themselves. What if we said the same of cars?

At the forefront of this misinformation is the Brady Campaign. They’ve got a page claiming that, “Separating out facts from myth makes clear that women are endangered rather protected by the proliferation of handguns.”

As usual, their arguments are facile and bolstered by sources so unreliable as to be laughable. Let’s look at the citations.

Four come from two books: Female Persuasion: How the Firearms Industry Markets to Women and the Reality of Women and Guns and A Deadly Myth: Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense. Wow. Don’t those sound like unbiased academic studies? Notice that both are published by the Violence Policy Center, an organization directly affiliated with the Brady Campaign that provides “research” for use in the Campaign’s many amicus curiae filings.

The VPC gets their funding from the Joyce Foundation. Remember that name; it’ll come up later.

So, four of their footnotes come from their own publications. Strike one.

"Fact: In the US, regions with higher levels of handgun ownership have higher suicide rates.[4] Although women have higher rates of depression than men, it is the handgun-suicide connection, rather than depression, that accounts for higher suicide rates."

Wow, that sounds dire, doesn’t it? I’m going to assume the first clause is patently false, since I can find no correlating evidence in the UCRs. The last clause claims that handguns, and not depression, are responsible for these fictional elevated suicide rates. As usual, blame the tool, not the cause.

Bold claims require strong evidence, and although Injury Prevention may sound like a medical journal, it is in fact more political boilerplate. David Hemenway and Matthew Miller are both on the payroll of the Joyce Foundation, as you can see from the credits at the end of the actual article (which, of course, provides no actual evidence to back its claims). Strike two.

"Fact: Guns are rarely used by rapists - less than 2 percent of rapes are committed with guns, while almost 70 percent are committed with personal weapons (physical violence). Women would be safer knowing self-defense to fight off an attacker than using a gun which can easily be turned against them."

I’m not sure what they mean by “personal weapons,” and neither is the “source” they quote. The Structure of Family Violence: An Analysis of Selected Incidents only covers crimes among relatives, not strangers. I can only assume the Brady Campaign doesn’t expect anyone to check the facts.

Too bad the internet makes it easy for us to do so now. Strike three.

While we’re this far down the rabbit hole, let’s look at where the money for all this is coming from.

According to their site, the Joyce Foundation was established in 1948 by a lumber heiress, and their mission involves, “[making] grants to national organizations for projects that promise to have a significant impact on public policies affecting the Great Lakes region,” for “religious, charitable, scientific, literary and educational purposes.”

Beatrice Joyce died in 1972, and directorship of the Foundation was turned over to a board of directors, who have turned it into an entity that now funds lobbying groups seeking to influence national policy.

Barack Obama is on the board, by the way.

In 2002, their assets totaled $653,771,733, and as of 2005, the total was $892,492,212. In that year alone, their grants came to $26,562,335.

That’s almost a billion dollars spent to tell you that you’re not intelligent or competent enough to use a gun.

Buy me a cup of coffee and I’ll prove them wrong. Sound like a deal?
 
The suicide statement is also wrong in another way - women rarely use firearms to commit suicide. Women are far more inclined to use drugs, alcohol, and wrist cutting.

It is why if you look at suicide rates and methods, the percentage of men who actually commit suicide is far greater than that of women. More women attempt it, but they use less "definitive" methods.

So their argument that more guns = more female suicides is wrong flat out. Women don't use guns to kill themselves as a general trend.
 
Great post, Erik. Thanks!

As for taking it away, I'm minded of Clint Smith's comment...."if the bad guy takes it away from me he'll have to beat me to death with it, because it will be empty". Pretty much sums it up. :D


Springmom
 
"Fact: In the US, regions with higher levels of handgun ownership have higher suicide rates.[4] Although women have higher rates of depression than men, it is the handgun-suicide connection, rather than depression, that accounts for higher suicide rates."

Wow, that sounds dire, doesn’t it? I’m going to assume the first clause is patently false, since I can find no correlating evidence in the UCRs.

I don't believe it is false -- vaguely remember discussing it here on THR awhile back, when the report came out.

BobbyQuickdraw already pointed out the crucial bit of missing information: statistically speaking, women don't off themselves with firearms. They typically use pills or knives. Men typically use firearms for suicide. It would be interesting, if someone could hunt down the raw data, to see if there's a male vs female difference in suicide stats by gun owning areas.

A related point that occurs to me is that there really are no reliable statistics on gun ownership in this country. Can't be; registration is not required in most areas. You can sorta-kinda track gun sales, but it's not like there's a central database, and trying to track the number of firearms in the country via current gun sales would kind of be like trying to figure out many homes there are by measuring the number of building permits that are issued in a year.

The last clause claims that handguns, and not depression, are responsible for these fictional elevated suicide rates. As usual, blame the tool, not the cause.

Like to see you elaborate more on that point. (Japan's suicide rate is a good place to start, since they are the most firearms-free society anywhere.)

"Fact: Guns are rarely used by rapists - less than 2 percent of rapes are committed with guns, while almost 70 percent are committed with personal weapons (physical violence). Women would be safer knowing self-defense to fight off an attacker than using a gun which can easily be turned against them."

I’m not sure what they mean by “personal weapons,” and neither is the “source” they quote. The Structure of Family Violence: An Analysis of Selected Incidents only covers crimes among relatives, not strangers. I can only assume the Brady Campaign doesn’t expect anyone to check the facts.

Did they mean "bare hands" in that quote? Sure sounds like, and that would be congruent with other stats I've seen from other places.

Now for the obvious point you missed: rapists do not need firearms in order to commit violence against women.

Read the VPC quote again: less than 2% of rapes are committed by men who are armed with firearms. Most rapes are committed by unarmed males (the majority), or by males who are armed with a lesser weapon such as a knife, rope, club -- or a pillow. Men do not need firearms, or any other weapon, in order to commit violence against women. They don't have to take your own firearm away from you in order to threaten your life, or to kill you outright. That's why successful rapists rarely use a firearm: they don't need it.

However, a woman who is attacked very often does need a firearm or some other weapon in order to successfully defend herself against the often-larger, usually-stronger male attacker.

This shows that laws which restrict firearms ownership disproportionately affect potential female victims (who are less likely to be able to defend themselves without a weapon), but do not significantly reduce the threat of male violence against women.

The very statistics that VPC is using to scare women out of gun ownership, in fact reveal the opposite of what VPC is claiming here.

pax
 
It would be interesting, if someone could hunt down the raw data, to see if there's a male vs female difference in suicide stats by gun owning areas.
Thanks for the pointers, Pax.

Actually the WISQARS database used by the VPC and Brady Campaign does show a difference. According to the 2004 lists of "causes of death," suicides in this country take a huge jump (~50%) in the 34-44 age group, so I started there. For men, firearms were used 46.9% of the time, and 2,376 times total. Out of that, women only used firearms 492 times, for 31.3% of the total. Poisoning was 43.6%, 685 times total, suffocation 15.5%.

Total suicides, all methods, numbered 5,067 for men and 1,571 for women. Men commit suicide 3.23 times as often as women, and tend to use firearms, while women tend to use "poisoning."

Like to see you elaborate more on that point. (Japan's suicide rate is a good place to start, since they are the most firearms-free society anywhere.)

The Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy has an article by Gary Mauser and Don Kates that goes into detail on the subject. Additionally, WHO stats show that the Japanese suicide rate is 25 per 100k people, as opposed to 19.8 per 100k in the United States. Sweden, Australia and Canada all beat us, too.

Apparently, Lithuania must be the most unhappy place on earth, at 81.9 per 100k.

As far as gun-saturated areas having higher suicide rates, I can't find anything concrete. Again, I'd like to see how it correlates before assuming anything. There was a comparison study done a few years ago on Seattle/Vancouver, and one of the researchers' conclusions was that the suicide rate was higher in Seattle because of higher rates of gun ownership. They failed to take into account things like Seattle's higher unemployment rate, lower wages, and tremendous narcotics problems.

If the Bradys can present credible evidence that the presence of guns contributes to a higher suicide rate, I'll listen. The trick here is to follow the "research." The only studies I've seen connecting the two are authored by Hemenway and Miller (who are on the payroll of the Joyce Foundation), Gary Wintemute (also funded by Joyce), and Arthur Kellerman ('nuff said).

Thanks for playing Devil's Advocate, guys. You've let me to follow up on stuff I hadn't thought to!

[Quick addendum, the suicide rate among women in Japan is almost three times that of the United States.]
 
Here's the apparent source of higher suicide rates in red states:

http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/ahr.html

It was the 2004 report that caused all the brouhaha I vaguely remembered.

More unbiasted data on comparative suicide rates within the US can be found here:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/03statab/vitstat.pdf

Here's one from the early 90's, from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/00049117.htm -- I'm pretty sure you'd be able to dig out a more recent one, but maybe not necessary. See below.

I think you've already got enough on the suicide comment to thoroughly debunk it: the studies pretty much agree that women don't suicide at the same rate men do, and that when we do suicide we're more likely to use drugs than firearms. That means that -- even if guns caused suicide -- there is no particular increased suicide risk to women from firearms ownership.

But more than that:

The entire argument made by the VPC assumes that the reader utterly lacks free will. No matter what the suicide rates in my demographic happen to be, I am totally and 100% in charge of whether I become a suicide statistic. Suicide isn't something that "just happens" to someone, an external force beyond their control or a bolt of lightning out of the clear blue sky. You don't catch suicide. Suicide is a choice. A very deliberate choice. So you might be able to address that point even more deeply, if you want to take it that direction.



You've really got some excellent thoughts here, by the way. I'm looking forward to seeing the final, polished version if you decide to follow through all the way.

pax
 
(...) the studies pretty much agree that women don't suicide at the same rate men do, and that when we do suicide we're more likely to use drugs than firearms. That means that -- even if guns caused suicide -- there is no particular increased suicide risk to women from firearms ownership.
Thing is, the notion they're peddling is that guns=suicide. Sure, there may be higher rates of suicide in Red States, but they don't take into account depression, substance abuse, income or any number of social factors. They're pushing an argument to causality on some flimsy evidence.

It's like saying 90% of people who listen to Philip Glass have goatees, therefore the music of Philip Glass causes spontaneous facial hair growth.

You don't catch suicide. Suicide is a choice. A very deliberate choice. So you might be able to address that point even more deeply, if you want to take it that direction.
A really good point, and one that runs counter to what the Left likes to preach about free will. After all, we can't all be victims if we have free will, right?

At the end of the day (and the international statistics bear this up), people who are going to take their own lives will find a way to do so, regardless of available means.

Thanks again!
 
In the pistol courses I run for women in my area the level of anxiety that many of the women have about handling a handgun always amazes me. The successful anti-gun indoctrination coming from several sources in our society is highly effective. Much of it I think teaches women "learned helplessness", e.g., you are too weak to handle a gun, you will only shoot yourself, you will shoot your family, blah, blah, blah. At the last class we ran for women there was one student who was so afraid to handle a pistol she came close to deciding to just not show up for range day (she shared this with me later), but overcame her fears and showed up at the range. She was, however, nauseous and came close to losing her breakfast because of her fear reaction. After a short time of one-on-one instruction with one of the female instructors in our group and putting some rounds down range, the student discovered this was fun and lost her anxiety. This woman is a highly intelligent professional woman who runs a successful business.

Later when she told me this story, I asked her why she chose to come to the range despite her fear. She told me she was more afraid of not being able to defend herself if it became necessary.
 
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