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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:46:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Verizon: Illegal bugging, no 30.06 signage in TX facility
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns, alt.law-enforcement, tx.guns
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:07:18 -0400, Frank Ney <[email protected]>
wrote:
I think Texas gun owners need to see this... I've added tx.guns.
>Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:01:10 -0500
> From: "Cal Wooten" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Another Incident in Texas
>
> Yesterday I was involved in one of the most disgusting incidents in my
>life. I have been working for Verizon Wireless for the past few months on
>a Peoplesoft/Oracle/Unix contract. They recently relocated to a different
>building with more space. They are the biggest tenant but not the only
>one.
> On this project there were about 5 to 1 H1Bs to natives. I know
>several people who could have done the job better without having to
>translate converstations. That's another story.
> One of the embellishments that verizon made to their entries was a "No
>Guns" sign as this is a New Jersey based company. This immediately pissed
>me off. One evening myself and a couple of other shooting buddies were
>taking a break discussing this sign. We all have CHLs so are very familiar
>with the requirements of signage. This one didn't work. It was missing
>the word firearm. Also, the owner of the building did not post the
>required signage at the front door barring concealed carry -- Section 30.06
>(the author of this had a sense of humor) describes this in detail. I got
>pretty loud about it.
> Yesterday I reported to work and my access card didn't work so I
>walked down to reception to report it. I walked in and the receptionist
>picked up the phone and told someone I was there. She asked me to sit
>down. In a few minutes two guys came out and asked me to go to HR with
>them. I said lets go. We went to this office where two other guys were
>waiting. The spokesman for the group asked if I knew what this was about.
>I told him I had no idea. He went on to say that I was there because of my
>comments about the sign. This really weirded me out because the
>conversation occurred after hours in the late evening and there was no one
>else around. I looked this guy in the eye and said you have the place
>bugged don't you. He said no but he was looking down when he said it --
>bald-faced lie. He stammered that it was against their policy to have guns
>in their facilities.
> I said that it couldn't be true because I had seen several GUNS
>previously and they freaked. I told them paint guns, nail guns, staple
>guns, caulking guns and that their sign was ignored. Of course they said
>not that kind of gun so I asked what kind? They couldn't say the words. I
>was so disgusted I couldn't see straight. They finally asked if I had a
>firearm with me. I thought I would have a little fun with them so I said
>that if I were carrying a concealed weapon and told someone so that I could
>be charged with criminal mischief. Then I just said no (I didn't have one
>on me). I had already decided this gig was over. I reminded them they had
>nothing to fear from law-abiding folks. I also told them that anyone who
>was hell bent on getting in their "secure" facilities could do so in a few
>seconds and certainly wouldn't heed their sign. Finally, I told them that
>being a deer in the headlights and pissing their pants would not slow
>anyone down either. I stood up and tossed my cards on the table and headed
>out. The spokesman said "You will never work for Verizon Wireless again".
>Turned around and looked at him and said you've got that right.
> Had a cold call from a headhunter on the way home and have an interview
>Monday.
>
>-----end of forwarded item-----
>
>I'd say that Version needs some talking to. Not only do they not have
>proper signage as required by 30.06, they appear to have illegally bugged a
>known hangout for US citizen employees/contractors for the specific purpose
>of getting rid of them.
>
>
>Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
******************************************************
"Up to the dusty attic, out with the trusty gun,
The law book and the lawyer only go so far.
Sooner or later push going to come to shove.
Don't think it won't happen where you are."
"No High Ground"
Leslie Fish
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:46:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Verizon: Illegal bugging, no 30.06 signage in TX facility
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns, alt.law-enforcement, tx.guns
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:07:18 -0400, Frank Ney <[email protected]>
wrote:
I think Texas gun owners need to see this... I've added tx.guns.
>Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:01:10 -0500
> From: "Cal Wooten" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Another Incident in Texas
>
> Yesterday I was involved in one of the most disgusting incidents in my
>life. I have been working for Verizon Wireless for the past few months on
>a Peoplesoft/Oracle/Unix contract. They recently relocated to a different
>building with more space. They are the biggest tenant but not the only
>one.
> On this project there were about 5 to 1 H1Bs to natives. I know
>several people who could have done the job better without having to
>translate converstations. That's another story.
> One of the embellishments that verizon made to their entries was a "No
>Guns" sign as this is a New Jersey based company. This immediately pissed
>me off. One evening myself and a couple of other shooting buddies were
>taking a break discussing this sign. We all have CHLs so are very familiar
>with the requirements of signage. This one didn't work. It was missing
>the word firearm. Also, the owner of the building did not post the
>required signage at the front door barring concealed carry -- Section 30.06
>(the author of this had a sense of humor) describes this in detail. I got
>pretty loud about it.
> Yesterday I reported to work and my access card didn't work so I
>walked down to reception to report it. I walked in and the receptionist
>picked up the phone and told someone I was there. She asked me to sit
>down. In a few minutes two guys came out and asked me to go to HR with
>them. I said lets go. We went to this office where two other guys were
>waiting. The spokesman for the group asked if I knew what this was about.
>I told him I had no idea. He went on to say that I was there because of my
>comments about the sign. This really weirded me out because the
>conversation occurred after hours in the late evening and there was no one
>else around. I looked this guy in the eye and said you have the place
>bugged don't you. He said no but he was looking down when he said it --
>bald-faced lie. He stammered that it was against their policy to have guns
>in their facilities.
> I said that it couldn't be true because I had seen several GUNS
>previously and they freaked. I told them paint guns, nail guns, staple
>guns, caulking guns and that their sign was ignored. Of course they said
>not that kind of gun so I asked what kind? They couldn't say the words. I
>was so disgusted I couldn't see straight. They finally asked if I had a
>firearm with me. I thought I would have a little fun with them so I said
>that if I were carrying a concealed weapon and told someone so that I could
>be charged with criminal mischief. Then I just said no (I didn't have one
>on me). I had already decided this gig was over. I reminded them they had
>nothing to fear from law-abiding folks. I also told them that anyone who
>was hell bent on getting in their "secure" facilities could do so in a few
>seconds and certainly wouldn't heed their sign. Finally, I told them that
>being a deer in the headlights and pissing their pants would not slow
>anyone down either. I stood up and tossed my cards on the table and headed
>out. The spokesman said "You will never work for Verizon Wireless again".
>Turned around and looked at him and said you've got that right.
> Had a cold call from a headhunter on the way home and have an interview
>Monday.
>
>-----end of forwarded item-----
>
>I'd say that Version needs some talking to. Not only do they not have
>proper signage as required by 30.06, they appear to have illegally bugged a
>known hangout for US citizen employees/contractors for the specific purpose
>of getting rid of them.
>
>
>Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV
******************************************************
"Up to the dusty attic, out with the trusty gun,
The law book and the lawyer only go so far.
Sooner or later push going to come to shove.
Don't think it won't happen where you are."
"No High Ground"
Leslie Fish
