Wouldn't it be cool if the N-frame Scandium frame guns were expanded?

[gulogulo1970]

I don't under stand the logic behind, "you will never be able to hit anything with it." The first aimed shot is the most important one. Yes, follow up shots will be harder than if the gun weighs 40oz. I saw another thread yesterday and many people said a hit with a 38 beats a miss with a 357. I agree with that. BUT, if you can't hit with the first shot when you are under no recoil recovery, its not the light or heavy recoiling gun's fault, its yours. Practice with what you have or you won't be any good, pretty simple. Don't put anytime at the range and you won't be able to hit with a 50oz target 38. It will just take longer to learn to shoot these Airlite guns well.

 

[500swmag]

Dave T,
I personally have more than 10000 rds of 38 spec, 357 mag, 44 spec, and 44 mag through titanium cylinders and never had a cylinder burst during testing. I find it humorous myself that these engineers laughed, it is menalities like this that hamper progress, can you imagine where we would be if every time an "expert" said "you can't do that" everyone listened. we would probably still be plowing our fields with wooden sticks and living in caves and no way in H@ll that we would have put a man on the moon.
The protective coating that is on all titanium cylinders prevents erosion from the high velocity high temperature gases produced during firing the gun. This coating does nothing to enhance the strength of titanium. We are changing the concept of what Ti can do. Think about steel, if heat treat was not used the steel in your gun would bulge and burst under tremendous pressure from the cartridge.

BC

 

[Dave T]

I don't under stand the logic behind, "you will never be able to hit anything with it." The first aimed shot is the most important one.

OK, I'll explain it to you. Take a beginner who doesn't know how to shoot. They buy a sc/ti revolver because it is so light and easy to carry. They never practice because the damn thing hurts their hand. They never develope the skill to make that "first aimed shot" that you think is so important.

To an experienced shooter, someone who has another gun to practice with, the ultra lights may not be such a problem. I don't care if someone like that makes the decision to experiment with one, even carry one. I was talking about the rank amature I see in my classes that still doesn't understand the basics. The sc/ti revolvers spell nothing but trouble for those people.

500swmag,
So you've fired 10000 rounds through titanium cylinders - well good for you. Did you even read my post? I said I thought the failure was a small problem, brought on by improper cleaning procedure.
As for the engineers I referred to, they work on the hi-tech military armement you see in all those Pentagon film clips. Yea, they sure are stick in the muds that aren't interested in progress. Come on, man - give me a break.

You know, sometimes posting some well intended information on these boards isn't worth the trouble.

 

[Tamara]

Dave T,

I was talking about the rank amature I see in my classes that still doesn't understand the basics. The sc/ti revolvers spell nothing but trouble for those people.

You're right, and that's why I don't recommend AirLites to beginners, and even warn them that an Airweight is going to kick like a beast with +P loads to someone not familiar with it. Look at what happened to Mastrogiacomo; somebody sold her an Airweight J-frame for her first handgun, and she wound up leery of revolvers for about a year.

I firmly believe that if someone gets a J-frame as a first handgun, they should spend a fair amount of time with light ball loads, or even powderpuff target wadcutters to get the feel of the gun before they shoot heavier loads in it. To this day, one of the worst tattooings I've ever taken while shooting a handgun was with an all-steel Model 36 with splinter grips and +P+ 158gr loads. I was still relatively new to revolvers, and the back of the triggerguard split my social finger knuckle open pretty good in just one cylinderful.

 

[Preacherman]

When the S&W .500 Magnum first came out, I took a bet with the owner of a local gun store. I bet him $10 that within a year, someone would have sawn off the barrel to 2" or 3" to produce a .500 Magnum snubby. Well, I just saw my first one on Sunday - a guy had done just that...

Now I'm waiting for the Scandium snubby .500 Magnum!

 

[500swmag]

Dave T,
"You know, sometimes posting some well intended information on these boards isn't worth the trouble."

you know I suppose I could say the same thing. I don't believe anything in my post had malicious intent or insulted you in any way.

"So you've fired 10000 rounds through titanium cylinders - well good for you. Did you even read my post? I said I thought the failure was a small problem, brought on by improper cleaning procedure."

good for me?

I was only pointing out, with facts that we have done losts of testing on these cylinders.

Did I read your post?

Yes I did. I don't believe I said I thought you said it was a big problem.

"No, but it would be cool if S&W dropped the stupid scandium and titanium guns from their line... No, that would be too much to hope for. ...drop the idiot titanium cylinders."

I'm not sure why you are so against Ti and Sc, but everyone is entitled to thier opinions. I only meant to point out a couple of facts and maybe make you sit back and think, "hmm maybe it's not such a bad thing".

I suppose we should drop this before we get our feelings all hurt

 

[gulogulo1970]

I don't like people telling me what I need or don't need. Dave T wants Smith and Wesson not to make a line of revolvers because some people will not learn how to use them efficently. Well guess what, I would bet most self defense guns bought in this country are bought, shot soon after and put into a drawer for the next 20 years. Is that smart, well no. The people using this forum are different from the people that buy guns and put them up without learning them inside and out. Which is all I was saying in my first post, "learn your weapon." If you want to get on anyone get on the salesman for selling that weapon to a gun "newbie", not Smith and Wesson.

Go to a Corvette forum and tell them Chevy shouldn't sell Corvettes because some fool will get behind the wheel, not know how to handle the power and hurt himself.

These guns, like a Covette, are pushing the limits of today's technology. They are both high performance machines. I appreciate that in Smith and Wesson, they are still tring to push the envelope and create some cool guns that never really were possible before. They just need to be marketed to the experinced shooter or gun professionals. People that will take the time to learn their gun. People like the ones that use this forum.