YouTube comparrison: 590 vs. 870 -- Slide Release comments

[Badger Arms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTCURi-NlD4

First of all, the video was the one of the stupidest I'd seen. This guy tries to compare a 26" Remchoke 870 to a Mossberg 590 with a 20" barrel and Cyl bore. He talks about how reliable the 590 is then complains that it malfunctions, actually showing a malfunction in the video unintentionally.

Anyways, quality aside, he says that an "advantage" of the Mossy is that the slide release is accessible with the strong hand in the shooting position. Problem for me is, uh, when do you need to use the slide release anyway? I only use it to remove an unfired shell from the chamber. Where do I need my hand when that happens? Over the ejection port, duh! I have two shotguns that this is easy to do with, the Ithaca 37 and the Remington 870. In both cases, you use your pinky to work the slide release then catch the shell.

So, the manual of arms for the 870 says to take your strong hand off of the grip to hit the slide release while you work the slide back for the ONLY thing you should ever have to hit it for, to clear the chamber of a live round. You want to catch this live round in your hand. So, what's wrong with the slide release where it is?

 

[RandKL]

'Spose you had birdshot or buck in the chamber and wanted to load a slug? You *could* just pop off the birdshot into the air, I guess. Or you could slide release and then tilt the gun to the right and shake out the birdshot and the following shell that's on the lifter and port load the slug. On the Mossy, though, you load the slug into the mag, work the slide via the release and chamber the slug. One quick and easy motion.

The prob with his 590 misfeeding is a common one among Remington users, strangely enough. The Mossy 500 shell stop and interrupter are one "notch" in front of the front edge of the lifter. Remington users, amateurs, and folks in a hurry, will often push the shell forward into the mag just to the point where the shell base "clicks" on the front edge of the lifter and not all the way forward to the stop and interrupter. With the shell base only snagged on the lifter, when you pump it, the shell pops out and hits the ground. The first, only hooked on the lifter, will hit the ground, the second and on will load normally. It's actually most common among Remington users who are using a Mossy for the first time. Notice he said he had only fired twenty rounds through it? The Remington can grab that thumb if you go too far and the Remington shooter gets to expect that....the Mossy drops shells if you don't go far enough. In other words, it's user error, not a misfeed.

rich

 

[Badger Arms]

I've NEVER had both buckshot and birdshot in the same gun. Never had both slugs and buckshot in the same gun (contrary to what many armchair ninjas suggest). When I pick up a shotgun in my home, it has 12-pellet 00 Buck.

 

[DBR]

If the gun is stored "cruiser ready" it will be cocked with an empty chamber, safety on. The first thing you do to make the gun "live" is hit the slide release and rack the action.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Yeah, that was user error, not a malfunction.


You wouldn't expect a 1911 to run if you only put the magazine in 3/4 of the way, would ya?

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I own both the Rem 870 Magnum and wife owns the Moss 500 Bantam.

I tell you right now, that there is absolutely NO issue with either gun. When I touch the Mossberg the slide lock is under the hand right there. WHen I touch the 870 the action bar release is in a different spot but by now has become second nature to me.

Dont mix ammuntion in the same gun. If you want to mix ammo, put a shell holder on the gun itself or wear one on your belt with a selection of different ammo.

Sounds to me that this video is a product of someone unwilling to adapt and get used to his situation. By the way my remmie has never grabbed my thumb. I dont believe it for a second. I think this person is in need of learning how to place hands properly on a weapon to operate one without injury.

 

[Virginian]

Doesn't impact me. You Tube wasn't yet dreamed of when my youngest Remington was born. I must admit I am really going to lose a lot of sleep after that though.

 

[RyanM]

I've NEVER had both buckshot and birdshot in the same gun. Never had both slugs and buckshot in the same gun (contrary to what many armchair ninjas suggest). When I pick up a shotgun in my home, it has 12-pellet 00 Buck.

That's not really what RandKL was talking about. He meant the "select a slug" drill. Let's say someone was shooting at your house from 50 yards away. Probably too far for buckshot, and you'd rather use a slug. So to select a slug, you get a slug, stuff it in the tube, and rack the slide.

A lot of people keep their home defense guns loaded "one down" (one less than the magazine capacity) with 00 buck, and slugs on the sidesaddle. One missing from the magazine means your first shot can be a slug, if necessary.

That's one of the reasons I like the Mossberg platform. The other is the "hollow" elevator. If some kinda jam occurs, I can stick my fingers up through there easily to try and get the shell out.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Shooter is invited to breach either door of the home.

I want to kill shooter inside of the building. LEO's can have him if they catch him outside.

 

[RandKL]

Thank you, Ryan. That's exactly what I meant....only I was going to use the "buckshot in the gun and need to load a slug for the fox eating my danged chickens". I figured that would probably date me and be mighty embarassing.

Yes, we still have cows and chickens and are proud of it

rich