Has anyone sent in a Rem 700 for the bolt safety modification?

I have no intention of doing it. Mine is fine the way it is. My safety program does not rely on a little mechanical switch, it relies on me being responsible for my actions.

As long as it doesn't fire with the safety engaged, what is the problem?

If I had a Model 700 and was going to put money into it, I'd buy and nstall a Winchester-style 3-position safety.

As long as it doesn't fire with the safety engaged, what is the problem?

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Uh, I believe the problem is the rifle firing as you disengage the safety without pulling the trigger.

Don

Don't consider your 700 safe just because you haven't had a problem. The 'it can't happen to me' attitude isn't wise when it concerns firearms and it's proven that Remington has a problem.

I believe there are two different issues.

One is that early Remington 700s and variants locked the bolt when the safety is on. This required that the gun be put in the FIRE position in order to unload it. This is not a good thing. You should be able to unload the gun while leaving it on safe. Remington has (or at least had) a program to remove the tab on the safety that locked the bolt, which traded the ability to lock the bolt for the ability to unload while on safe. If the OPs gun can ONLY be unloaded while on FIRE it has NOT had this modification done. And yes, IMO, it is worth doing, although any local gunsmith could do it easily.

The second issue is the trigger connector issue. This is the issue that CNBC is currently covering. It appears that a buildup of dirt, grease or rust in the trigger mechanism could cause a marked decrease in sear engagement, which could allow the gun to go off without pulling the trigger. Definitely not a good thing.

I am all in favor of muzzle control. Everyone should practice it at all times. But even with muzzle control the gun should be designed to make it as difficult to fire accidentally as is practical.

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natman,

Yes there appears to be TWO problems as you mentioned. Mine is a older version and the safety must be in the "unsafe" or fire position to load or unload.

Now that I type this, that is pretty stupid isn't it?

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Yep. Locking the bolt is nice, being able to unload while on safe is required. The only reason you should ever need to put a loaded gun into FIRE position is to fire it.

The modification is pretty simple and a local gunsmith should be able to do it.

Does the M700 come back from the Remington "repair" with a 10 pound trigger pull or other undesirable traits? What do they do; install an X-Mark Pro trigger?

Anybody posting or reading this that hasn't seen the program it's being replayed on CNBC tonite 7PM central. deadeye

I am all in favor of muzzle control. Everyone should practice it at all times. But even with muzzle control the gun should be designed to make it as difficult to fire accidentally as is practical.

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I agree 100%

All this talk about muzzle control, even though if the gun is pointed down range in a safe direction still doesnt make the gun itself safe. I know this can happen to any firearm, but it is happening alot to the Remington 700's. For istance when I am sighting in a gun I will take the saftey off a few seconds before I am ready to shoot but if the gun went off when I took the safety off I would be in some pain since I dont have a great hold on the gun. Scary thought if its a big magnum. When that being said I still love my remington 700.

So there is more to just having it in a safe direction.

robertbartsc said:

Does the M700 come back from the Remington "repair" with a 10 pound trigger pull or other undesirable traits? What do they do; install an X-Mark Pro trigger?

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I haven't sent a rifle in myself, but there is no reason to do anything drastic to change the bolt locking. On the original design a tab on the safety locks the bolt down when the safety is put into the SAFE position. This tab needs to be removed and that's all that needs to happen.

I don't know what else, if anything, Remington does to guns sent in under the program.

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Yep. Locking the bolt is nice, being able to unload while on safe is required. The only reason you should ever need to put a loaded gun into FIRE position is to fire it.

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So I'm guessing that you don't own a 1911.

I installed a CG X-Treme Mod 22 two-stage trigger in one of my Remingtons. I plan to buy three more. Here's what the manufacturer says regarding this particular trigger.

5) finally when using the safety mechanism, work the bolt and cock the action before engaging the safety. (Of course it is always necessary to observe proper and responsible safety precautions when loading a firearm.) Do not try to engage the safety before cocking. This 4 lever trigger will simply not work this way. It was not designed to function like a factory Remington trigger.

Remington will replace your trigger ONLY IF it is one with the 'bolt lock' on the safety, for the $20 fee.

If you have a Model 700 that DOES NOT have the 'bolt lock' feature, Remington is not offering to replace the triggers on these units. The is no program in place for the replacement of these triggers!

I am sure Remington would be more than happy to replace your trigger with an X-Mark trigger for a nominal fee! hehehehe

If you feel uncomfortable with your Remington trigger, Remington is offering FREE INSPECTION of your rifles trigger unit...either at the REMINGTON FACTORY, or at ANY of the REMINGTON AUTHORIZED REPAIR CENTERS(only). You may access the Remington website to find an 'authorized' repair center in your area.

I haven't sent mine in and doubt that I would. It would make much more sense to pay a local gunsmith to do the work. But, even with this modification use common sense. I've used my 700 for 30+ years with no problems. But when it comes to unloading I make sure the barrel is not pointed at anything I would want to shoot.

I have one of the older rifles. Mine has not been modified, but I'd put just a bit more money into it and have an aftermarket trigger installed by a local smith if I were concerned. I like the option of keeping the bolt locked down. Remington's "FIX" does not begin to address the real issue. The problem is in the trigger, not the bolt.

So any competent Gun Smith can fix the bolt lock safety? Or does it have to be a authorized Remington Service center?

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If you feel uncomfortable with your Remington trigger, Remington is offering FREE INSPECTION of your rifles trigger unit...either at the REMINGTON FACTORY, or at ANY of the REMINGTON AUTHORIZED REPAIR CENTERS(only). You may access the Remington website to find an 'authorized' repair center in your area.

It is a liability thing, yes a competent gunsmith should be able to 'inspect' and or repair a Remington trigger, but IF there is rust or corrosion under the connector, is that smith going to take the trigger down, clean, repair or replace the damaged part for less than a small fortune?

There is really nothing in these triggers to 'go bad', so the courtesy inspection of the trigger is just a CYA type thing from Remington, but, it is sweet of them to offer to do an inspection , to ease the minds of some, for free!