Armed Janitors Approved By Montpelier, Ohio, School Board To Stop School Shootings

I think its good as well. Janitors know the school better than anyone else and it doesn't add much to the budget.

Wife and I both thought good when we heard of the news.


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"PLEASE don't make me shoot you, son... I just mopped this floor."

LOL. Joking aside, this is an excellent start.

They're janitors.........or teachers........once a gun is produced by a civillian the civil suits explode.
Put a cop with a desk in school during school hours like they are for the DARE Program and be done with it......this is all BS to me.

The janitor I had when I went to school was scarier then the lone gunman would have been.

rc

I agree on the liability issues. (Not the cops tho, or any additional taxpayer expenses). Once the schools start creating such programs, it opens them up to law suits if there are accidents or actual crimes (we already have teachers and janitors that get caught having sex/molesting kids).

IMO, just allow teachers and staff to have the normal choice to cc on the grounds and let it be their personal responsibility.

xXxplosive: They're janitors.........or teachers........once a gun is produced by a civillian the civil suits explode. Put a cop with a desk in school during school hours like they are for the DARE Program and be done with it......this is all BS to me.

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Yes, they're janitors or teachers. WHAT ARE YOU, that you feel you should be trusted to be safe and effective with a firearm, but not them?

This sounds suspiciously like the elitist anti-2A "only cops and special people" garbage.

Janitors can't carry guns! They're only *gasp* hard-working ordinary American citizens!

I would rather have a janitor protect me or my kids. It is alot better than what we have in place now.
RC: We must have had a tuff bread of janitors in our day. At my school he rolled his own one handed and said if you dont behave he would put a knott on your head!!!

xXxplosive said:

They're janitors.........or teachers........once a gun is produced by a civillian the civil suits explode.
Put a cop with a desk in school during school hours like they are for the DARE Program and be done with it......this is all BS to me.

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So continue to deny teachers the right to defend themselves simply because they work in a school. You're quite the gentleman.

How about eliminate gun free zones entirely, since the entire concept is nothing more than a sick joke, and be done with it.

Your kidding right? I own a gun,been in the military,have a spotless record, level headed,and great credit score, and shoot pretty well. That does not mean I'm qualified to protect children in life and death situations. With a lawyer behind every bullet fired , I hardly think janitors for what they get paid would be willing to take on that roll.

Roadking Rider said:

Your kidding right? I own a gun,been in the military,have a spotless record, level headed,and great credit score, and shoot pretty well. That does not mean I'm qualified to protect children in life and death situations. With a lawyer behind every bullet fired , I hardly think janitors for what they get paid would be willing to take on that roll.

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And nobody is forcing them too. But if an individual wants to carry a firearm, and has the lawful authority to carry a firearm elsewhere, he shouldn't have to leave it at home just because he's sweeping floors at a school.

rcmodel said:

The janitor I had when I went to school was scarier then the lone gunman would have been.

rc

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Wasn't this guy, was it?

That does not mean I'm qualified to protect children in life and death situations. With a lawyer behind every bullet fired , I hardly think janitors for what they get paid would be willing to take on that roll.

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The real twist in this conundrum is the difference between hiring someone to protect people as part of their job and ALLOWING them, in essence, the same right to defense of self and others that they'd have off of school property.

In the case of a police officer, they are trained to follow specific department policies and are indemnified against civil suit if they do follow those policies. The citizens of their town or city (through the city's insurance) take on the risk for that officer's actions while performing his/her duties. An armed guard hired to provide security has a slightly different but similar set of circumstances. He's an employee of a firm set up to handle the fallout of whatever he might do on the job, so long as he's following his lawful orders.

Schools are not set up to provide training for teachers or janitors to use lawful force and they don't have either school-board policies on the use of force nor indemnification of the employee against civil suits resulting from the use of force while on the job.

The real rub, however, is what happens when a school board simply says, "the following employees are hereby permitted to be armed on school property. (period)"? Can the school completely absolve itself from being involved in a civil suit if the employee does something stupid, careless, ... or right and lawful but with some negative consequences? The answer is almost certainly not. You can sue almost anyone you want and the school district will have deeper pockets than anyone else involved.

There is also the question of whether a citizen, who happens to be a teacher or janitor at a public school, would willingly take on the responsibility for discharging a firearm in a classroom -- BUT, I think almost all teachers would rather do so (whatever the consequences might be later) rather than see their students murdered.

And nobody is forcing them too. But if an individual wants to carry a firearm, and has the lawful authority to carry a firearm elsewhere, he shouldn't have to leave it at home just because he's sweeping floors at a school.
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A lot of people carry firearms but that still does not make them qualified to protect children in a school in life and death situations. What if this cowboy janitor got into a situation and ended up shooting one of your children because he was not qualified to handle a gun in high stress situations? Do you really believe he going to be able to go from cleaning out a stopped up toilet to this super clear headed protector of children in a matter of seconds?

They're janitors.........or teachers........once a gun is produced by a civillian the civil suits explode.
Put a cop with a desk in school during school hours like they are for the DARE Program and be done with it......this is all BS to me.

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I'm afraid I have to agree with xXxplosive on this one. There's a real potential for the Left sabotaging the guns-in-schools-to-protect-kids concept if a custodian or teacher makes a wrong call. Have police or trained guards.

"CCW" does not = "LEO"

Armed citizens (custodians, teachers) are better than nothing, just not the optimum effort to make the idea work.

I am a janitor, not only do we know the buildings better, but we also have keys to every room in the building and are often the ones that find things people are trying to hide such as drugs. (not that were snooping or anything)

I say just let anyone with a valid concealed permit carry @ the school. A lone cop protecting a school might work... but might not. Like a past occurrence (was it in minnesota?) once the school shooting started that lone cop ran off scared.

My church has a security guard, and he stated that if a shooting begins he is going to run and hide, radio for backup, and not come out of hiding until the backup arrives. That would be no different than a school employee @ sandy hook dialing 911 and waiting for the police.

At the Holocaust Muesuem the uniformed cop was the first one taken out.

then there's this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVM2-yPXlTQ

I truly think we're better off protecting ourselves.

Jim NE said:

I'm afraid I have to agree with xXxplosive on this one. There's a real potential for the Left sabotaging the guns-in-schools-to-protect-kids concept if a custodian or teacher makes a wrong call. Have police or trained guards.

"CCW" does not = "LEO"

Armed citizens (custodians, teachers) are better than nothing, just not the optimum effort to make the idea work.

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So someone on the Right wouldnt sue the school system if a teacher or janitor accidentally shot one of their kids?

Kinda puts a whole new twist on "Taking out the garbage".

So someone on the Right wouldnt sue the school system if a teacher or janitor accidentally shot one of their kids?

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Since when are "suing" and "sabotaging" the same thing?

I'm talking about folks who'd try to push armed protection out of schools were a mistake ever made by school staff.

What about when the police wound eleven innocent bystanders? I'll take my chances with the janitor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVM2-yPXlTQ

I cannot believe so many here actually made it through that article; I almost slipped and fell on the bile it was spewing before it even began pretending to be headed for a point..

A retired LEO trying to stretch his income, a trained security guard, or an armed civilian teacher janitor or staff volunteer....I really don't care . Lets try ALL of them. I really hate the idea of one more defenseless child dyeing while we dither about, wondering what to do.