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Armed Janitors Approved By Montpelier, Ohio, School Board To Stop School Shootings

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 4thHorseman, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. 4thHorseman

    4thHorseman Well-Known Member

  2. browneu

    browneu Well-Known Member

    I think its good as well. Janitors know the school better than anyone else and it doesn't add much to the budget.

    Wife and I both thought good when we heard of the news.

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  3. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    "PLEASE don't make me shoot you, son... I just mopped this floor."

    LOL. Joking aside, this is an excellent start.
  4. xXxplosive

    xXxplosive Well-Known Member

    They're janitors.........or teachers........once a gun is produced by a civillian the civil suits explode.
    Put a cop with a desk in school during school hours like they are for the DARE Program and be done with it......this is all BS to me.
  5. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    The janitor I had when I went to school was scarier then the lone gunman would have been.

  6. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    I agree on the liability issues. (Not the cops tho, or any additional taxpayer expenses). Once the schools start creating such programs, it opens them up to law suits if there are accidents or actual crimes (we already have teachers and janitors that get caught having sex/molesting kids).

    IMO, just allow teachers and staff to have the normal choice to cc on the grounds and let it be their personal responsibility.
  7. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    Yes, they're janitors or teachers. WHAT ARE YOU, that you feel you should be trusted to be safe and effective with a firearm, but not them?

    This sounds suspiciously like the elitist anti-2A "only cops and special people" garbage.

    Janitors can't carry guns! They're only *gasp* hard-working ordinary American citizens!
  8. col.lemat

    col.lemat Well-Known Member

    I would rather have a janitor protect me or my kids. It is alot better than what we have in place now.
    RC: We must have had a tuff bread of janitors in our day. At my school he rolled his own one handed and said if you dont behave he would put a knott on your head!!!
  9. Bobson

    Bobson Well-Known Member

    So continue to deny teachers the right to defend themselves simply because they work in a school. You're quite the gentleman.

    How about eliminate gun free zones entirely, since the entire concept is nothing more than a sick joke, and be done with it.
  10. Roadking Rider

    Roadking Rider Well-Known Member

    Your kidding right? I own a gun,been in the military,have a spotless record, level headed,and great credit score, and shoot pretty well. That does not mean I'm qualified to protect children in life and death situations. With a lawyer behind every bullet fired , I hardly think janitors for what they get paid would be willing to take on that roll.
  11. Bobson

    Bobson Well-Known Member

    And nobody is forcing them too. But if an individual wants to carry a firearm, and has the lawful authority to carry a firearm elsewhere, he shouldn't have to leave it at home just because he's sweeping floors at a school.
  12. Fishslayer

    Fishslayer Well-Known Member

    Wasn't this guy, was it? :D

  13. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    The real twist in this conundrum is the difference between hiring someone to protect people as part of their job and ALLOWING them, in essence, the same right to defense of self and others that they'd have off of school property.

    In the case of a police officer, they are trained to follow specific department policies and are indemnified against civil suit if they do follow those policies. The citizens of their town or city (through the city's insurance) take on the risk for that officer's actions while performing his/her duties. An armed guard hired to provide security has a slightly different but similar set of circumstances. He's an employee of a firm set up to handle the fallout of whatever he might do on the job, so long as he's following his lawful orders.

    Schools are not set up to provide training for teachers or janitors to use lawful force and they don't have either school-board policies on the use of force nor indemnification of the employee against civil suits resulting from the use of force while on the job.

    The real rub, however, is what happens when a school board simply says, "the following employees are hereby permitted to be armed on school property. (period)"? Can the school completely absolve itself from being involved in a civil suit if the employee does something stupid, careless, ... or right and lawful but with some negative consequences? The answer is almost certainly not. You can sue almost anyone you want and the school district will have deeper pockets than anyone else involved.

    There is also the question of whether a citizen, who happens to be a teacher or janitor at a public school, would willingly take on the responsibility for discharging a firearm in a classroom -- BUT, I think almost all teachers would rather do so (whatever the consequences might be later) rather than see their students murdered.
  14. Roadking Rider

    Roadking Rider Well-Known Member

    And nobody is forcing them too. But if an individual wants to carry a firearm, and has the lawful authority to carry a firearm elsewhere, he shouldn't have to leave it at home just because he's sweeping floors at a school.

    A lot of people carry firearms but that still does not make them qualified to protect children in a school in life and death situations. What if this cowboy janitor got into a situation and ended up shooting one of your children because he was not qualified to handle a gun in high stress situations? Do you really believe he going to be able to go from cleaning out a stopped up toilet to this super clear headed protector of children in a matter of seconds?
  15. Jim NE

    Jim NE Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid I have to agree with xXxplosive on this one. There's a real potential for the Left sabotaging the guns-in-schools-to-protect-kids concept if a custodian or teacher makes a wrong call. Have police or trained guards.

    "CCW" does not = "LEO"

    Armed citizens (custodians, teachers) are better than nothing, just not the optimum effort to make the idea work.
  16. ccsniper

    ccsniper member

    I am a janitor, not only do we know the buildings better, but we also have keys to every room in the building and are often the ones that find things people are trying to hide such as drugs. (not that were snooping or anything)
  17. Jackal1

    Jackal1 Well-Known Member

    I say just let anyone with a valid concealed permit carry @ the school. A lone cop protecting a school might work... but might not. Like a past occurrence (was it in minnesota?) once the school shooting started that lone cop ran off scared.

    My church has a security guard, and he stated that if a shooting begins he is going to run and hide, radio for backup, and not come out of hiding until the backup arrives. That would be no different than a school employee @ sandy hook dialing 911 and waiting for the police.
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  18. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

    At the Holocaust Muesuem the uniformed cop was the first one taken out.
  19. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

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  20. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    So someone on the Right wouldnt sue the school system if a teacher or janitor accidentally shot one of their kids?

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