Introducing the CZ 75 XCR

JDR · Apr 25, 2015

This gun is a combination of the cz 2075 rami and the cz 75 pcr resulting in a small/light weight gun with a 15+1 capacity. There has also been some other improvements like the czechmate hammer, all cajun gun works internals, pre travel screw in the PCR trigger, FO front sight.

Even if I weren't already a huge CZ fan I'd still have to commend the fact that every feature on this custom gun is first rate! With the combination of the short slide length and the full size grip, this gun sort of reminds me of an HK P7M8 which was very easy to shoot accurately.

But much like the P7's, you might need some special consideration for holster design due to the slide length and the balance of the pistol with a full mag. You don't want this gun flipping out of an inadequate holster and you don't want a holster that could cause activation of the mag release, which was a real problem with holstering P7M8's.

Something similar to an Alessi CQC-S IWB originally intended for the RAMI could be a good choice here, it's an excellent design, it will probably balance this slide / grip combination very well, it's well hidden, completely secure, and yet fast on the draw.

Thompsoncustom · Apr 25, 2015

Nice job on the conversion, and it is an attractive gun but I don't see the point. How is this an improvement over the PCR?

You have lower velocity and shorter sight radius for the benefit of a couple oz of weight and maybe a slight concealability advantage only if you carry OWB?

I carry my PCR IWB and that solves any concealability problem.

I'm admittedly biased though. I've never been a fan of short barrel guns. I want tthe longest barrel and sight radius that I can get away with.

I completely understand your thinking, my current carry gun is a cz 75 shadow and every gun before that has always been a full sized gun.

The only improvement it has over the PCR is size and weight, the same improvement the PCR has over a cz 75bd. Oh and it holds one more Round but the same thing can be done to any cz mag.

As far as velocity and sight radius goes I haven't found that to be a issue, I throated the barrel a lot longer so it should pick up some velocity there and be pretty close to the PCR. The sight radius has always been a big thing to me as I have never shot small guns great, I had a Dan Wesson ECO that felt great and the quality was outstanding but I was never a bulleye shooter with it.

Now the XCR I shoot better than the PCR and I think alot of the has to do more with the internal upgrades than anything else but nothing was lost for me going to a shorter slide. I think the grip area must play a big role because I shot the Rami about as good and the Dan wesson.

Here are a couple more pics as promised.

Very nice! I'll take it No I don't want to know how much it is.

With a offer like that how could I say no

Pilot · Apr 25, 2015

Very nice work, sir, and an interesting project. Now start work on a single stack, subcompact CZ.

PabloJ · Apr 25, 2015

I would eliminate that nickeled phillips head screw in grips. It is hideous.

MIL-DOT · Apr 25, 2015

PabloJ said:
I would eliminate that nickeled phillips head screw in grips. It is hideous.

Ooh, ugh, you're right, I didn't notice that before. Now......can't....pull....eyes.....away !

george burns · Apr 25, 2015

A little flat black paint, or a new screw. I would try the paint first, probably will never see it. How is the trigger in DA?

Orion8472 · Apr 25, 2015

I was playing around with an image [using photoshop] and did a quick mock up of what I wish someone would build. Kind of the same thing as the OP, but also cutting down the frame to take Rami magazines. It would probably look like this:

bannockburn · Apr 25, 2015

Thompsoncustom

Thanks for posting the additional photos. That gun looks sweet from any angle.

P.S.-Didn't even notice the bright screw heads. Much to do about nothing as this gun is fantastic looking!

Thompsoncustom · Apr 25, 2015

I like the stainless screws there matte and match the trigger but I also have a pair in black. Trigger in DA is great, running a 13lb hammer springs and I drilled and tapped the PCR trigger for a pre travel screw along with the hybrid disco the reach to the DA has been considerably reduced along with the weight of the pull.

Orion8472: That gun looks like it would be awesome the problems is it's impossible to build at this point. The PCR frame can't be converted to safety the frame is cut completely different than the safety models but if you look hard enough you can find some old alloy frames with a safety. Next the frame can't be chopped down because you will remove the bottom part that holds the hammer spring and mag catch.

I wish CZ would just build something like that and make it easier on us all I think they have the full sized guns down to a T but there's room for improvement on the semi compacts.

bannockburn · Apr 25, 2015

Orion8472

That also looks great! Would definitely buy one if CZ ever made it. Would go nicely with my P01.

Orion8472 · Apr 25, 2015

"I wish CZ would just build something like that and make it easier on us all"

ThompsonCustom, I couldn't agree with you more!!!

"Would definitely buy one if CZ ever made it."

bannockburn, as would I. . . . . . in a heartbeat!!

Step up to the plate, CZ! :scrutiny:

DMK · Apr 25, 2015

You definitely did your homework and ended up with a very nice custom CZ.

Thanks for sharing your progress with us and best of luck with it!

viking499 · Apr 25, 2015

Which front and rear sight is that?

Is the FO front the one that works with the factory rear or a different one?

frgood · Apr 25, 2015

This thing needs a 'like' button.

an excellent piece of work

Thompsoncustom · Apr 25, 2015

I'm not aware of any aftermarket sights for the rami over than night sights. The FO front sight is a Dawson precision front sight for a les bear 1911 that I modified.

viking499 · Apr 25, 2015

Ok, I thought maybe it was something from CGW.

shrewd · Apr 27, 2015

Personally I'd rather have a pcr ode on a rami frame...

The short barrel does nothing...it's the lart already beneath your pants. Why not just carry the pcr?

Thompsoncustom · Apr 27, 2015

the PCR is a great gun by itself there is no doubt. The XCR is about 17% lighter than the PCR.

Finally got the ammo loaded for my reliability test. I went out of my way to use odd rounds because i'm sure it will feed all factory ammo with the reliability upgrades done to it.

From left to right. 170gr SWC OAL 1.125 160gr RN OAL 1.125 125gr Full wadcutter 0.950 and lastly berry's 124gr RN OAL 1.169.

Loaded up a handful of each of these for testing, for comparison my glock 17 will feed the 170gr bullets but the poly rifling can't stabilize the bullets. It also chokes on Full wadcutter which almost all semi auto's do so that's to be except but I believe the XCR will feed them all like a champ.

armoredman · Apr 27, 2015

That is VERY cool - considering the RAMi and the PCR didn't spring from the same origin, was there a great deal of customizing to get the two to mesh? I'm glad you said CGW was involved - Dave out there is a CZ rock star!
That is one heck of a pistol, sir, one heck of a pistol!

JDGray · Apr 28, 2015

Orion8472: That gun looks like it would be awesome the problems is it's impossible to build at this point. The PCR frame can't be converted to safety the frame is cut completely different than the safety models but if you look hard enough you can find some old alloy frames with a safety. Next the frame can't be chopped down because you will remove the bottom part that holds the hammer spring and mag catch.

Here ya go Orion8472! Whats a good donor gun worth to you??

Orion8472 · Apr 28, 2015

JDGray, I am considering getting one for winter carry. Will have to have the Meprolight sights and some aluminum thin grips, though, for me. I think they are a bit thinner than the grips you have [which are aweseom, BTW].

JDGray · Apr 28, 2015

Yeah, I was just teasing :neener:

Took me 5 years to get one of these unicorns...

Thompsoncustom · Apr 28, 2015

That is VERY cool - considering the RAMi and the PCR didn't spring from the same origin, was there a great deal of customizing to get the two to mesh? I'm glad you said CGW was involved - Dave out there is a CZ rock star!
That is one heck of a pistol, sir, one heck of a pistol!

Indeed it's not like the fullsized/compact models where you can just swap the slide. The front portion of the frame rails need cut at a 45 degree angle, the sear cage needs material removed in a ton of different spots, the whole in the frame the holds the recoil spring needs milled bigger for the rami recoil spring setup.

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