Certaindeaf
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A .223 with frangibles has less penetration than about any handgun.
10/22 for hurricane season defense in my subdivision.... Really
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pikid89
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Having lived on the coast of southwest florida for my whole life (hurricane Charley passed within a mile of our house), I feel like the guns you have are perfectly adequate for your needs. Being new to florida, I would advise you that you spend your time and resources stocking up on important hurricane supplies like enough potable water for your family for at least a week, as well as medicine, batteries, and canned food.
On top of that, you really should have a plan for getting out of the path of a storm. If a storm is serious enough to warrant looter defense in the aftermath, you really should not have stuck around to begin with. Nothing material in your home is worth trying to ride out a 3 or higher storm unless you live above the flood plain and your house is poured concrete.
On top of that, you really should have a plan for getting out of the path of a storm. If a storm is serious enough to warrant looter defense in the aftermath, you really should not have stuck around to begin with. Nothing material in your home is worth trying to ride out a 3 or higher storm unless you live above the flood plain and your house is poured concrete.
Hello Katana, let us go over parameters.
1 Florida
2 Hurricane country
3 Self defense
4 Subdivision
5 Over penetration
6 You own a Mossberg and Benelli shotgun
1 That's where you live and can't be changed quickly
2 The storm season is going to happen, when and where they hit are the only questions. Best option is to read old storm newspapers to guess severeity to assist in planning.
3 The only really defendable self defense is if some one is trying to kill you. That generally means some one up close and personal. A scoped rifle is not really a self defense weapon unless you are returning sniper fire, if it is a sniper good luck, a 22 lr is just not in the same class as a scoped .308.
4 I live in a subdivision. Where I live we have 1/4 acre lots. I could stand on any corner of my lot and hit any one on a diagonal corner with a shot gun if the house was not in the way. The house is in the way, this limits any shooting I would do in self defense to a 200' line of sight on my property. A 22 lr will go 1500' down the same line of sight and still be dangerous to innocent bystanders. Where I live that would be criminal negligence.
5 Please see #4
6 You have two shotguns, although I do not know guage or model, to provide a reasonable defense. Adding another firearm and a different ammo complicates your logistical situation. If you do get a 10-22 forget the scope, you will probably be shooting at man size targets up close not at some one three houses down when and if you get a clear field of fire that does not endanger the guy four houses down. For the type of combat in cities you are asking about most law enforcement uses a shotgun.
My solution: I would cache shotguns and ammo in places where I could get to it easily. Any firearm with a house crushed on top of it is not an asset. Split emergency ammo into what you can carry easily and distiribute it where only you can get hold of it. Tell no one, no one, no one, NO ONE except trained shooters you trust with the location of firearms and ammo.
I truly hope you never find yourself in such a situation as you describe. If you do wind up in such a situation it is possible to survive if you just take a look around and ask yourself not how to defend against everything but the best you can do in the areas you can control. Lastly whatever firearms you depend on, practice with them until they are as easy to use as the knife and fork you use for dinner.
blindhari
1 Florida
2 Hurricane country
3 Self defense
4 Subdivision
5 Over penetration
6 You own a Mossberg and Benelli shotgun
1 That's where you live and can't be changed quickly
2 The storm season is going to happen, when and where they hit are the only questions. Best option is to read old storm newspapers to guess severeity to assist in planning.
3 The only really defendable self defense is if some one is trying to kill you. That generally means some one up close and personal. A scoped rifle is not really a self defense weapon unless you are returning sniper fire, if it is a sniper good luck, a 22 lr is just not in the same class as a scoped .308.
4 I live in a subdivision. Where I live we have 1/4 acre lots. I could stand on any corner of my lot and hit any one on a diagonal corner with a shot gun if the house was not in the way. The house is in the way, this limits any shooting I would do in self defense to a 200' line of sight on my property. A 22 lr will go 1500' down the same line of sight and still be dangerous to innocent bystanders. Where I live that would be criminal negligence.
5 Please see #4
6 You have two shotguns, although I do not know guage or model, to provide a reasonable defense. Adding another firearm and a different ammo complicates your logistical situation. If you do get a 10-22 forget the scope, you will probably be shooting at man size targets up close not at some one three houses down when and if you get a clear field of fire that does not endanger the guy four houses down. For the type of combat in cities you are asking about most law enforcement uses a shotgun.
My solution: I would cache shotguns and ammo in places where I could get to it easily. Any firearm with a house crushed on top of it is not an asset. Split emergency ammo into what you can carry easily and distiribute it where only you can get hold of it. Tell no one, no one, no one, NO ONE except trained shooters you trust with the location of firearms and ammo.
I truly hope you never find yourself in such a situation as you describe. If you do wind up in such a situation it is possible to survive if you just take a look around and ask yourself not how to defend against everything but the best you can do in the areas you can control. Lastly whatever firearms you depend on, practice with them until they are as easy to use as the knife and fork you use for dinner.
blindhari
There are not many 1/4 acre lots in Florida subdivisions. Usually, it's a zero-lot-line property. That means that your neighbors' house is about 10 feet from your house. No driveways between houses.
Besides, before anyone breaks into your house to steal your flatscreen, they will be breaking into Walmart and Best Buy first.
Besides, before anyone breaks into your house to steal your flatscreen, they will be breaking into Walmart and Best Buy first.
Clipper
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Someone starts shooting at me with a .22, I'm not man enough to call 'em a P***y and charge it down, I'm gonna get outa range post-haste. If I had to protect me and mine after a natural disaster, my go-to would be my BL-22 loaded with stingers...
wannabeagunsmith
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Get the Mini-14 or Mossberg 500.
Fish Miner
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You got a few months before the storms will be a factor, I would second the opinion that you should stock up on water, batteries, solar charging, food and propane. If you go through a hurricane like Andrew, chances are your house is toast and your just gonna need to leave. If it is a Wilma/Charlie type storm, your gonna have no power for a week or two and then protection from looters might be more of reality. Your shotgun should be more then enough.
oneounceload
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Incorrect - I live in one with 1/4 acre housing - there is a minimum 10' to the lot line on each side, so 20' - not much, but enough to park a boat or truck
Zero lot line means your houses would be touching, ala SoCal, NYC or similar places where property is measured by the foot on the street
oneounceload - come over to the east coast and you will have a hard time finding any 1/4 acre lots, and yes, they do call it zero-lot-line over here.
Maybe I should move over to the west coast. Over here, the houses are so close together that it's not possible to drive a car between them, the driveway space in front of the garage will hold at most one car and the backyard is only big enough for a small pool. 6 million people in 3 counties (Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade) living in zero lot lines, townhouses, condos and apartments.
Maybe I should move over to the west coast. Over here, the houses are so close together that it's not possible to drive a car between them, the driveway space in front of the garage will hold at most one car and the backyard is only big enough for a small pool. 6 million people in 3 counties (Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade) living in zero lot lines, townhouses, condos and apartments.
Hoppes Love Potion
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Another idea would be a used 30-30 lever-action rifle. You can pick them up for $300 - $400 for a Marlin 336; many will already have a scope.
stonewall308
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I got 2500 rounds of .22 for about $100 shipped to my door. Thats hard to beat.
Honestly, I'd feel pretty confident with my 10/22 and a few 25 rounds mags. I'd be aiming for headshots at 50 yards offhand easily. Of course I'd feel more confident with my glock on my hip.
Honestly, I'd feel pretty confident with my 10/22 and a few 25 rounds mags. I'd be aiming for headshots at 50 yards offhand easily. Of course I'd feel more confident with my glock on my hip.
tbow1964
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Another option no one has mentioned is a SKS. Ammo cheap and will certainly fit the bill in a SHTF scenario.
22-rimfire
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We just had tornados vey close to our house during this last tornadic storm front that passed through the South a week ago.
You can buy SKS's for about $300 these days. Not a bad rifle to have around. I would use a Ruger Mini 14 for the rifle choice. But I am not likely to be carrying around a rifle in a subdivision.
The Ruger 10/22 will work but I would shy away from those 25 round magazines unless you test them for reliability. The steel lips are the better choice. Better to have two or three 10 round Ruger factory magazines.
You'd be better off with the shotguns you already own and a handgun you are capable with. The handgun conceals more easily. My choice in a handgun is a Glock 23. But I am just as likely to be carrying a revolver; sometimes even a 22LR revolver.
I don't think you need more range than 50 yds.
You can buy SKS's for about $300 these days. Not a bad rifle to have around. I would use a Ruger Mini 14 for the rifle choice. But I am not likely to be carrying around a rifle in a subdivision.
The Ruger 10/22 will work but I would shy away from those 25 round magazines unless you test them for reliability. The steel lips are the better choice. Better to have two or three 10 round Ruger factory magazines.
You'd be better off with the shotguns you already own and a handgun you are capable with. The handgun conceals more easily. My choice in a handgun is a Glock 23. But I am just as likely to be carrying a revolver; sometimes even a 22LR revolver.
I don't think you need more range than 50 yds.
mgregg85
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I'd get a whole bunch of those new bx-25 mags and practice headshots and double taps. Seriously consider getting and training with a new weapon.
jk2008
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For a short-term, close-quarters, neighborhood protection environment (like the hurricane scenario described above), I'd think a 12 gauge shotgun is your best option.
That being said, my only experience with something like this was when I was a kid and lived near Jackson, MS. In 1979, the Pearl River, which runs through Jackson, had a 500-year flood. Men in the affected neighborhoods armed themselves (mostly with shotguns, but also with deer rifles and handguns) and banded together to block off the roads that led into their subdivisions. This was done to keep away looters, but also to keep away the curious who might drive through the streets (in the jacked-up pick-up trucks that were popular then) and by doing so create a wake that would send more waves of water into their homes.
If you want to plan for a longer-term SHTF scenario (say, the zombie apocalypse
), you'd probably want to get:
1) a 22LR semi-auto rifle to put food on the table (along with lots of ammo for it since 22LR ammo doesn't show signs of getting any cheaper, it'll last forever of you store it right, AND depending on who you talk to, it'll be THE currency of choice in the post-apocalyptic era)
2) a high-power rifle to down larger game or zombies (I'd pick .30-06 or .308 since the ammo is readily available).
3) an SKS, because they're fun and your cable or satellite TV will probably be out.
That being said, my only experience with something like this was when I was a kid and lived near Jackson, MS. In 1979, the Pearl River, which runs through Jackson, had a 500-year flood. Men in the affected neighborhoods armed themselves (mostly with shotguns, but also with deer rifles and handguns) and banded together to block off the roads that led into their subdivisions. This was done to keep away looters, but also to keep away the curious who might drive through the streets (in the jacked-up pick-up trucks that were popular then) and by doing so create a wake that would send more waves of water into their homes.
If you want to plan for a longer-term SHTF scenario (say, the zombie apocalypse
), you'd probably want to get:1) a 22LR semi-auto rifle to put food on the table (along with lots of ammo for it since 22LR ammo doesn't show signs of getting any cheaper, it'll last forever of you store it right, AND depending on who you talk to, it'll be THE currency of choice in the post-apocalyptic era
)2) a high-power rifle to down larger game or zombies (I'd pick .30-06 or .308 since the ammo is readily available).
3) an SKS, because they're fun and your cable or satellite TV will probably be out.
This...
Ive been through several hurricanes living in the gulf south. Neighbors helping neighbors is how they ALL have turned out fpr me and my family. Only time Ive ever thought of a gun is when I was contemplating poaching after supplies ran low. (Ike) without power/gas/stores/etc. for 2 weeks
MedWheeler
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Clipper writes:
Same here. I doubt you could find five people in the state of Florida that, in a post-hurricane environment, would continue to criminally encroach onto property being obviously defended by a man wielding a Ruger 10/22. If somehow you could, and they all happened to live in your neighborhood, all happened to target your house, and all five tried it, at least four would turn tail and seek out easier targets. Any that did not, would as soon as the first shot was fired (assuming he is still able to.)
I have been in at least five post-hurricane environments in the last 20 years, three of them within the last ten, and two of those were so close together that power had not yet been restored throughout my city after the first before the second, an even stronger one, hit.
But, as has been said, you are already well-armed for the purpose. If you want a 10/22, you certainly don't need a hurricane to justify it. Just go get it. You'll enjoy it a lot more if you buy it for enjoyment. They are great guns; I've had mine since 1987, though it is currently modified with a scope and an AR-type stock conversion, and sports Ruger's own 25-round magazine.
Same here. I doubt you could find five people in the state of Florida that, in a post-hurricane environment, would continue to criminally encroach onto property being obviously defended by a man wielding a Ruger 10/22. If somehow you could, and they all happened to live in your neighborhood, all happened to target your house, and all five tried it, at least four would turn tail and seek out easier targets. Any that did not, would as soon as the first shot was fired (assuming he is still able to.)
I have been in at least five post-hurricane environments in the last 20 years, three of them within the last ten, and two of those were so close together that power had not yet been restored throughout my city after the first before the second, an even stronger one, hit.
But, as has been said, you are already well-armed for the purpose. If you want a 10/22, you certainly don't need a hurricane to justify it. Just go get it. You'll enjoy it a lot more if you buy it for enjoyment. They are great guns; I've had mine since 1987, though it is currently modified with a scope and an AR-type stock conversion, and sports Ruger's own 25-round magazine.
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