10 Round Mag is it good enough

[EVIL]

I agree.

The Beretta 96A1 is a mighty big pistol for just 10 rounds.

Heck, my sub-compact Glock 27 holds 9 rounds, and 10 rounds with a Pearce mag extender.

+1 The Berretta is a duty sized gun...so why not carry a standard capacity duty sized magazine?

The only reason I carry a 9+1 capacity weapon is because I like the concealability of the G27 short grip length ... if I were to carry a full sized G22 then obviously I would carry the full-sized magazines (I sometimes carry a spare G22 15 rd Magazine anyway...I won't care if it sticks out of the grip funny in a situation where I have to reload...)

 

[DenaliPark]

TimM, because a magazine that acheives 15 round capacity by crushing the spring and follower into the bottom of the mag until the spring is now overcompressed and over loaded is not going to be as reliable as the same magazine with fewer rounds and not overcompressing the spring. Leaving the overcompressed spring and follower in the magazine with it fully loaded for long periods of time can lead to problems. Any magazine that is so hard to fully load that guys will buy and use a "mag loader" to get the last few rounds in is being overstressed. There is a reason that the original Browning 1911 design holds 7 rounds. Is it possible to get an 8th round into the mag? Sure. Think there was a reason Browning decided not to do that and leave some empty space in the mag. You betcha.

Absolute nonsense...

 

[DenaliPark]

Extra weight?
I dunno. If someone wants a 15rd, 20 rd, 30 rd magazine, why not? I often carry a 5-shot snub and really don't feel under-armed. Someone would have to show a bunch of examples where private citizens felt compelled to fire more than 10 rounds for me to believe in the utility of "hi cap" mags.

I hear this all the time, and in all fairness I've also subscribed to this philosophy to some extent. However, consider yourself in the Safeway store, the center of last weeks massacre. You've just exited the store, you are immediately confronted by the gunfire of the madman, about 20-30 yards away, you visually identify him just as he bears down your way, firing indiscriminately from a Glock 19 9mm loaded with a 33 round extended magazine. You draw your 5 shot 1.7" barrel snub and do what exactly?

 

[Bubba613]

I hear this all the time, and in all fairness I've also subscribed to this philosophy to some extent. However, consider yourself in the Safeway store, the center of last weeks massacre. You've just exited the store, you are immediately confronted by the gunfire of the madman, about 20-30 yards away, you visually identify him just as he bears down your way, firing indiscriminately from a Glock 19 9mm loaded with a 33 round extended magazine. You draw your 5 shot 1.7" barrel snub and do what exactly?

Uh, run like heck back into the store and out the other side?

How often does this happen? Like once, ever? I am not interested in preparing for last week's news event. That is a fool's game.

 

[esquare]

As soon as LEO departments start issuing 10 round mags because they pose less of a risk to the public you can feel good about doing the same. Frankly, they aren't hi cap clips, they are standard capacity magazines. This would be the same as soldering 3 snap caps into the cylinder of a revolver - I just can't imagine someone doing that for self defense.

My take, you're carrying the gun anyway - so why wouldn't you carry the standard number of rounds?

 

[mljdeckard]

I do actually have high capacity magazines for my SKS. It was designed for ten round mags. Mine hold twenty.

Um, I would have mixed feelings on the idea. I walked away from guns with larger magazines, I went back to 1911s with 8+1 mags, I have never looked back. Even if you HAVE the capacity, are you going to use it? In a fight, you should reload when you CAN, not when you NEED to. We don't live in MelGibsonland where you crank off a full mag at an aircraft and follow it immediately with another. Real life situations where you NEED to continuously fire that much without time to reload are very rare indeed. I seriously doubt there would ever be a situation where I would deal with it differently with a hi-cap weapon than my 1911. If I really NEED that much ammo, I shouldn't be using a pistol at all, I should have used those few rounds to fight back to my rifle.

On the other hand, if I owned a gun that took hi-caps, particularly a very LARGE one, it would feel ridiculous if I weren't allowed to use it. (Especially because of the policy of some ninny beurocrat.)

 

[DenaliPark]

Uh, run like heck back into the store and out the other side?

How often does this happen? Like once, ever? I am not interested in preparing for last week's news event. That is a fool's game.

"Ahh" understanding history, is the key to preparing for the future...Fool's game? Yeah, and just who's the fool?

 

[Bubba613]

"Ahh" understanding history, is the key to preparing for the future...Fool's game? Yeah, and just who's the fool?

And history is not one incident last week or last year or last decade.
Who's the fool? Anyone who bases decisions on one or two incidents.

 

[Silverado6x6]

After reading all of this thread I had a funny thought that now people who "may" be living in a state with hi-cap mag bans will start wearing vests like the one "Da" wore in Boondock Saints that held something like 8 guns.

 

[Silverado6x6]

Back in the days of single shot pistols it was called a "brace" of guns, and many a person indeed carried more than one gun.

 

[PabloJ]

The pro way is to carry two guns one compact and one "service size" in the same caliber. The compact should accept larger guns magazines.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

Even if you HAVE the capacity, are you going to use it? In a fight, you should reload when you CAN, not when you NEED to. We don't live in MelGibsonland where you crank off a full mag at an aircraft and follow it immediately with another. Real life situations where you NEED to continuously fire that much without time to reload are very rare indeed. I seriously doubt there would ever be a situation where I would deal with it differently with a hi-cap weapon than my 1911. If I really NEED that much ammo, I shouldn't be using a pistol at all, I should have used those few rounds to fight back to my rifle.

1. Well if you do need to use it YOU won't have it.
2. I seriously doubt I will ever need my ccw firearm, but I carry it anyway.
3. It is difficult to CCW a rifle in public---again re-quoting cliches adds nothing to meaningful discourse.

 

[Nicky Santoro]

Why not have the extra magazine capacity?

Exactly. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

 

[mljdeckard]

But in saying that, are you saying that all of us who carry single-stack autos are underprepared? And if we aren't, why is it necessary to carry more? (I did say I would use the capacity if I had it.)

 

[esquare]

But in saying that, are you saying that all of us who carry single-stack autos are underprepared? And if we aren't, why is it necessary to carry more? (I did say I would use the capacity if I had it.)

Not necessary - just prudent.

 

[David E]

But in saying that, are you saying that all of us who carry single-stack autos are underprepared? And if we aren't, why is it necessary to carry more?

No, since that is YOUR option, not the mandate of some elected mouth-breathing moron.

If your 8+1 capacity 1911 was loaded with 6 rds max, would that make sense?

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Quote:
10 rounds are enough. You will rarely need more than 2 or 3. If you can't solve the problem with 10 rounds you need instruction and practice. Magazine springs also last longer in lower capacity mags.

BS --If you can't solve the problem with 10 rounds you are going to need more rounds!

If you were in a gun fight and needed more than 10 rounds, where would you get this additional " instruction and practice," in the cemetery?

 

[LiveLife]

Another approach.

If your only option was to carry knives for self-defense, how many knives would you carry?

1 or more?

- or -

If your only option was to carry bow & arrows for self defense, how many arrows would you carry?

10? or more?

Me, as many as I can comfortably carry.

 

[DenaliPark]

Mall Ninjitsu...

 

[HGUNHNTR]

Another approach.

If your only option was to carry knives for self-defense, how many knives would you carry?

1 or more?

A knife doesn't lose effectiveness as a firearm does without ammo.

 

[LiveLife]

A knife doesn't lose effectiveness as a firearm does without ammo.

Caught that and was changing to bow & arrows, but you posted too fast.

 

[Zerodefect]

1. Yes, 10 is plenty.
2. Who cares what the media hates, they're stupid.
3. If you live in a free state, get a full capacity mag.

 

[SSN Vet]

if your particular scenario only requires 10 shots to remedy, then yes, it is enough.

 

[PabloJ]

Ten should be plenty especially for folks from sparsely populated states with infinitesimal crime rates.

 

[Harley Quinn]

OP,
For many the 10 is more than enough, numerous pistols that are popular in your 45 acp that is loved to death... Then the high cap comes along and many want it...In a 45 acp it means quite a bit of extra weight... Not needed some will say and stay with the 1911 with single stack mag of 1/3 less than 10

I believe when making decisions based on laws, then determine your own preference it will always be an issue that is argued til the cows come home...

The original hi cap was the 1935 Browning Hi Power, still a good choice by many... But in some states (and more maybe down the line) the 10 is going to be all you can have...Then that will change many to start looking harder at the specific caliber they will want to carry A 9mm with 19 rounds is better in many folks opinion, rather than a 45 acp 1911