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All I am really after is trying to see if it something that I am capable of doing. A personal learning adventure. I don't plan on competing or dropping a deer at 1k yds in full sprint. It just seems like a fun challenge and a neat project to take on this summer. A lot of people say that 5.56/223 isn't designed or meant to do this, well thats part of what makes it fun. I like seeing how far out I can take small caliber rounds.

Thank you all for the help, I may end up shimming my current scope and seeing where I can get from there. The most important thing that I have to work on now is nailing down what load I will be shooting.
 
OK, so it's for fun. Kinda what I figured.

One thing's for sure; you'll quickly learn about the limitations of the 5.56mm cartridge and your equipment ;)

But do have fun with it. I seldom get to shoot that far, even though I have a .50 to do it with.
 
This guy shot over a 1 inch group at 600 yards using a modified Leupold scope. It's the next model up from the one that I shoot with.
 
I think there's a profound misunderstanding about scopes and requirements in this thread.

Service Rifle shooters shoot ARs at 1000 with iron sights. A quality 3 or 4 power scope, would only make that easier, as long as you're smart about your sight picture, and have enough elevation.

It's the sight picture that's important, not being able to see bugs walking across the target face. Heck, with the correct sight picture, the aiming black is just a blur behind the front sight. i.e. you're not really even looking at the target.

as has been said, don't expect to win any matches with that rig, but it's certainly possible, and it's pretty fun too.

so if you're looking for a challenge, and to accomplish something, get rid of the scope all together and get some NM irons.

$700-900 would probably put you in a high-quality NM upper with a good 1-7 twist barrel.


my thought is your real problem is the 1-9 twist barrel.
 
$700-900 would probably put you in a high-quality NM upper with a good 1-7 twist barrel.
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I have a Leupold VX-II 6-18x on my .223 savage. I can destroy 20oz soda bottles all day at 800yards(milk jugs when wind picks up) I would have to agree that the .223 leaves plenty to be desired compared to the .308. I believe I had a ~39moa change while sighted in at 200yds. They drop fast and get pushed quite hard by the wind
 
unibrau - I would love to see a video of that. I know marine snipers that say they can keep it on a 5x7 card at 900 using a AI AE in .308 and a Mark IV scope, but that soda bottle is 2.5-3 inches in diameter. That's one hell of a shot (1/3 moa side to side or smaller groups), especially for a .223. If you can do it... I'd love to see it as it is always a treat to see a shot like that. That isn't world record levels, but it sure is good enough to compete with those guys. The world record is something like .5 inches at 600y, but that is a best target. On a bad day I could see that opening up to over 1.5 inches... and a 2.5 inch group at 800y is something like a 1.88 inch group at 600y....

Suffice to say... that is top 5% of shooters that can do that. And doing that "all day" is unlikely.

Sorry, been a bit grouchy lately.
 
you don't need a $3000 scope for this task...but you do need one in the $500 range.

and honestly, as far as the rifle to put under it, you'd be better off getting a surplus Swiss K-31 than you would be using a 223
 
OP. You might check out Liberty Optics, talk to Scott there. I chose the IOR 2.5-10x FFP scope and have been happy with its performance. It is a mil/mil scope and has adequate elevation built in to take the rifle to 1000.

I don't remember how much I spent on the scope now. Ah, here it is. A bit spendy perhaps but a great optic to be sure.
 
..."I may end up shimming my current scope and seeing where I can get from there."...

will the ring's bores still be in alignment if the rear ring gets shimmed up? this IS an important issue. likely only an option if you have a one piece base with integral rings.

gunnie
 
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Careful - there are some bad reviews of the 4.5-30x Elite 6500. Evidently the 2.5-16 is very good (which I can vouch for too), but something went awry with clarity at the upper magnif ranges with the 4.5-30x.
 
Oops...I forgot to post the link to the article I was referencing too.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek060.html

"one-shot,
This guy shot over a 1 inch group at 600 yards using a modified Leupold scope. It's the next model up from the one that I shoot with."
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Pretty impressive in light gun.

HOWEVER........

Decent glass was only one component in his accomplishment. The custom rifle, custom ammunition, and his skill as a shooter (movement control and judging environmental conditons) all culminated in making that group. If you read the article, he talks about waiting to fire until the wind flags indicated near-identical conditions to his previous shot.

As well, when you're into it serious like that, glass that makes the cut at 600 might not at 1,000. Another 400 yards is alot.
 
c'mon, fellas... you do not have to have a $3000 scope to hit a target at 1000 yards... it truly isn't that hard w/ a little practice, a little dedication, and middle of the road equipment. you may not win competitions w/ a $1000 rig, but you can still hit targets and have a little fun at 1000 yards.
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i completely agree with this. i did a budget build specifically for shooting 1000yds and have less than $1600 into it. while i haven't found a 1000 yard range near me yet, i'm getting great results at 300 (longest range i can find :( ) keeping groups under 1.5". and that's with a $469 scope. sure i'd love to have a S&B but $$ wouldn't allow and i really doubt it would make $2000 worth of difference in the results.

Bobby
 
Maybe I’m a masochist (a taste for suffering):what: but I’ve shot the .223 at one thousand yards before the advent of the seventy grain plus bullets. Those were the days. Didn’t use a “Gas Gun” but a bolt gun with a Unertl 15X scope those were challenging times. Maybe I was just mentally challenged. On reconsideration there was no maybe about it. Yes you can get out to a thousand yards but there are much more superior choices.

Things got some what better when I rebarreled to handle the heavier weight bullets and went with my 24X Unertl. I’ve also shot with metallic sights RPA rear and RPA front ladder sight. Since I no longer care for the challenge the .223 bolt gun has became my short course rifle with a Tiger front sight with inserts.

Everybody is free to beat their head on a brick wall:banghead:. Since I have enough bumps on my head I’ve stopped.:D
 
@MachIVShooter

I agree with you on every point. I was just pointing out that it can be done. I also remember seeing a guy winning a 1000yd competition with Leupold VX III 8.5-25x50. I saw it on 6mmbr.com awhile ago. I don't have a the link for it.
 
The best way to save money on AR's is to get the quality parts/guns/scopes the first time instead of a pile of cheap junk.

I like the Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x, 50mm. Bindon Aiming concept keeps it moveing to each target quickly and it's fiberoptic green triangle is the cats meow. But it runs out of MOA adjustment for most 5.56 rounds around 900 yards. Mine is on a 6.8spc AR designed for 100-500 yards. I'll don't get to shoot 1000 anywhere.



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So I'd recommend Nightforce. 95MOA of range adjustment.
 
Wow! Dr. Tad... That sightron is impressive! I wonder what the mirage looks like at 50x! :what:
 
Scythefwd- There is no way I could compete with those levels! My crosshairs cover up the bottle at that distance! I would say I had a 7/10 hit ratio on a calm day, but that's anywhere on the bottle. I'm still learning
 
unibrau - That was my point. While there are some people out there that can do that type of shooting, I doubt many people on this board can. There are experienced and very good bench rest shooters here. Even they (actually least likely them) are quick to claim that level of shooting acumen. That is not exactly a common level of skill. I have a 20 oz soda bottle right here, and it is just about 7.5 inches by 2.5 inches. Side to side that is .5 moa or less at 600y. I'm not saying you aren't telling the truth about the hit ratio, but I do think the distance at which this shooting is being done is off a bit. Even at 300y, that level of accuracy is good. Especially with a light round. I have done military ranges with "gusty" wind up to about 20 mph and have watched tracers move from outside the target on the left to missing completely on the right. These little .223 rounds are wind sensitive.

Unibrau, if you are hitting 7/10 on a bottle at 800y (your original claim) there is nothing more you are going to learn using that rifle. You are shooting at that rifles level and you won't improve till you get a much more expensive/accurate rifle. You will probably have to move up to a heavier caliber as well.
 
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One of the high power rifle shooters at my range suggested a Millet TRS-1 to me. I bought it and it works great. The adjustments track very well and it is guaranteed to have over 60 minutes of adjustment for elevation. For whatever reason they actually seem to run more than that. They have plenty of adjustment, focus knob, 1/8 min adjustments, 30 mm tube, target knobs, and seem to be good quality. The only drawback is that it is a BIG scope. One should set you back less than 350 bucks. Most of the guys shooting in the matches spend a LOT more than that for their scopes and they are pretty picky so I was surprised when he suggested this scope to me but I've used it quite a bit from 100-600 yards and I like it a lot. I think its perfect for "casual" long range shooting.
 
I do not want to spend a whole lot of money since it is a pretty limited use scope.
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Are some of you guys actually recommending $2000-$3000 scopes to this guy? Really? C'mon, that is taking scope snobbery to a whole new level. There are plenty of scopes that will let a guy shoot to 1000 yards. He didn't say he is joining a High Power club to shoot competitions he just wants to give it a try. Do you really think his rifle is already set up to take advantage of the difference a Nightforce scope would make? I really doubt it. This is kind of like telling a teenager that he better buy a Mercedes Benz SL for his first car because he might as well "do it right" the first time. Never mind he is just driving it school and his job at Starbucks in the evenings. There are a couple good choices less than 500 bucks or so that would do the trick for him and would let him have a decent useable scope to keep on his weapon for closer ranges.
 
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