10mm Carbine Hunting?

[Panzerschwein]

Guys with the Hi-Point 10mm carbine soon to hit the market, I'm thinking on buying one due to the low cost.

What is the largest game animal you all would hunt with a 10mm carbine?

 

[saiga308]

Guys with the Hi-Point 10mm carbine soon to hit the market, I'm thinking on buying one due to the low cost.

What is the largest game animal you all would hunt with a 10mm carbine?

a bear brown or black one but not a grizzly not enough hammer down to stop it

 

[WestKentucky]

I killed a nice whitetail buck with a delta elite shooting 180gr truncated cones over aa7 well under max pressure. It stopped under the skin on the far side. This was a 7 yard shot. I put 3 into heart/lungs before the deer could react. He fell 30 yards away. That was a short barrel moderate load. I wouldn’t trust a hipoint to even remotely nuclear loads so a longer barrel similar load will do more, and/or will do it further away. Sensible range limitations I would trust a 10mm on elk. I would want more gun for dangerous game.

 

[saiga308]

I killed a nice whitetail buck with a delta elite shooting 180gr truncated cones over aa7 well under max pressure. It stopped under the skin on the far side. This was a 7 yard shot. I put 3 into heart/lungs before the deer could react. He fell 30 yards away. That was a short barrel moderate load. I wouldn’t trust a hipoint to even remotely nuclear loads so a longer barrel similar load will do more, and/or will do it further away. Sensible range limitations I would trust a 10mm on elk. I would want more gun for dangerous game.

its going to have a

Barrel length: 17.5"

with capability to handle plus +p rounds that should help with velocity
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/Hi-Point-carbines/Hi-Point-10MM-black.html

heres the 10 mm stats with barrel lengths bufflo bore 180 grain 1573 fps
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

 

[CraigC]

Same for handgun, deer/hogs. Hopefully with all the new 10mm's hitting the market we'll start seeing some better bullets, which is its real limitation.

 

[saiga308]

Same for handgun, deer/hogs. Hopefully with all the new 10mm's hitting the market we'll start seeing some better bullets, which is its real limitation.

extreme hunter bullets for the 10mm https://underwoodammo.com/product/handgun-ammo/10mm-auto-150-grain-xtreme-hunter/

• A permanent wound cavity (PWC) that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet

are showing some promising results with deep penetration 24 inches into this gel

 

[WestKentucky]

its going to have a with capability to handle plus +p rounds that should help with velocity
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/Hi-Point-carbines/Hi-Point-10MM-black.html

heres the 10 mm stats with barrel lengths bufflo bore 180 grain 1573 fps
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

They rate it to +p which is arbitrary, but that’s not the point. It’s still a blowback 10mm. Even if it holds the pressure of the shot, the action on the gun is going to take a beating with each shot. The gun, if ran “hot” starts battering itself to bits as the springs weaken then your still going to see an action failure. Remember the quality of gun your looking at too. The majority of the gun is plastic with stamped steel bits in the right places. You probably will not be able to see damage like you would on a steel gun where discoloring and galling happen either, so it will be difficult to assess the “health” of the gun. It will go til it blows... be careful.

Not to sound negative towards the gun, I’m not. I do have interest in it and may very well buy one, but the materials used and the hi-point mechanism are not a good fit for a gun that powerful. It will have power or longevity, but not both. If I buy one it will get hand loaded ammo just strong enough to reliably cycle it. And the stamped steel dust cover will be off of it regularly to inspect it internally.

 

[CraigC]

150gr is a little light in the loafers. Need new designs 200gr and heavier.

 

[saiga308]

They rate it to +p which is arbitrary, but that’s not the point. It’s still a blowback 10mm. Even if it holds the pressure of the shot, the action on the gun is going to take a beating with each shot. The gun, if ran “hot” starts battering itself to bits as the springs weaken then your still going to see an action failure. Remember the quality of gun your looking at too. The majority of the gun is plastic with stamped steel bits in the right places. You probably will not be able to see damage like you would on a steel gun where discoloring and galling happen either, so it will be difficult to assess the “health” of the gun. It will go til it blows... be careful.

Not to sound negative towards the gun, I’m not. I do have interest in it and may very well buy one, but the materials used and the hi-point mechanism are not a good fit for a gun that powerful. It will have power or longevity, but not both. If I buy one it will get hand loaded ammo just strong enough to reliably cycle it. And the stamped steel dust cover will be off of it regularly to inspect it internally.

wouldnt a stronger wolff spring https://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/cID1
for the recoil spring bolt help with a hotter heavier 10 mm loads for the hi point?

 

[saiga308]

150gr is a little light in the loafers. Need new designs 200gr and heavier.

yeah most of the bullets are for personal defense not hunting i see only buffalo and double tap make large bullets for that heavy catagory

 

[someguy2800]

I was just looking at this earlier today to get an idea of the kinds of velocities that a 10mm gets from a carbine length barrel and I don't see them as particularly impressive. They don't seam to gain quite as much velocity as a 357 magnum does in carbine length.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

With 10mm ammo and brass being quite expensive I don't see the appeal in this as a range plinker. The scope mounting system and trigger on a hi point is pretty lackluster so I don't think precision is going to be great for hunting purposes. As a deer or hog hunting gun in a straight wall cartridge state its down on power a little bit from a 357 magnum rifle and quite alot from a 44 magnum rifle. I'm sure it will work at limited range but I've learned from hunting to stock as many odds in my favor as possible. If the desire is just for a cheap straight wall legal hunting rifle I would just get a CVA single shot 44 magnum.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...Stock+w/Scope+Mount+Break+Open+44+Remington+M

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ngle+Shot+Break+Action+Rifle+.44+Mag+22\+Barr

 

[BigBore44]

I’m sure it would work for Black bear. But personally if choosing between my 10mm and my 44 Mag, it’s a no brainer for black bear. Deer and pigs are as far as I would take my 10mm. Others have taken MUCH larger game with their 10’s like elk and even Cape buffalo. But, while it WAS done, it wouldn’t be my choice.

 

[jmr40]

a bear brown or black one but not a grizzly not enough hammer down to stop it

You do realize that black bear are typically the smallest weighing 200-500 lbs. Grizzly are next in size, normally only slightly larger than black bear, but more aggressive. Brown bear are technically grizzlies, but due to where they live and the abundance of food are supersized, often going over 1000 lbs. Sometimes as much as double the size of a typical inland grizzly or black bear.

I'd use a 10mm pistol or rifle on anything I'd use a 357 or 44 magnum pistol or rifle on. You do have to be careful about choosing your loads as game gets big. The heavy loads from Double Tap or Buffalo Bore would be my picks for anything larger than deer. Although given the option in a rifle a 10mm wouldn't be my top choice for hunting.

I carry DT 200 gr loads in my Glock pistols and feel very confident in it for bear defense when camping/hiking in bear country, even grizzly country. Maybe not in Brown bear country. Although Phil Shoemaker, a hunting/fishing guide in Alaska did kill a large male brown bear that attacked a fisherman last summer with a 9mm pistol loaded with 147 gr Buffalo Bore ammo.

 

[JShirley]

a bear brown or black one but not a grizzly not enough hammer down to stop it

Brown bears are larger than grizzlies, and even black bears can be over 300 lbs in northern US states.

 

[someguy2800]

As the old saying goes don't choose equipment that will work when everything goes right, choose equipment that will work when everything goes wrong. I like my hi point a lot, but I'm not taking it deer hunting in any caliber.​

 

[WestKentucky]

wouldnt a stronger wolff spring https://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/cID1
for the recoil spring View attachment 776483 bolt help with a hotter heavier 10 mm loads for the hi point?

Help, yes. Fix the flaw, no. Not to mention the way that the sights attach is only slightly better than duct tape and baling twine...which was not sufficient on the 995 I had years ago. Under heavier recoil the sights will lose zero faster.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I've shot a couple Hi Point carbines in 9mm and 45.
I have no desire to own one much less hunt with one in any caliber.

 

[CraigC]

Grizzlies are brown bears, same species. "Grizzly" is just a common name for brown bears that live in a particular area.

Actually North Carolina probably has more big black bears than any other state. The record there was 840lbs. So black bears 'can' get really big and present more of a challenge ballistically but they simply do not have the "I'm gonna eat you!" mindset of a brown bear.

220gr is only "heavy" for the 10mm. It has the same sectional density as standard weight bullets in .41/.44/.45. We'll never see a truly heavy 10mm bullet because it lacks the case capacity to do anything with it. So I'd shoot anything with the 10mm that I'd shoot with a 250gr .44/.45 bullet. Which ain't much. With heavy bullets, the 10mm is nowhere near the same league as the .41/.44/.45 revolver rounds.

The 10mm isn't going to gain as much velocity in a rifle as the .357 and .44Mag's. They use a slower burning powder and a lot more of it. Probably an extra 200fps is the most you can hope for.

The stunts performed by Razor Dobbs are not representative of what one might expect to be able to do with the 10mm. All the same rules applies, there is no magic. The 10mm ain't enough gun for elk and Cape buffalo.

 

[Saleen322]

Th 10mm is a good round but often limited by the gun used.

Brown bears are larger than grizzlies, and even black bears can be over 300 lbs in northern US states.

Black Bears in PA commonly get over 500 pounds and on some occasions over 800 lbs. This is the biggest one I have heard of at 879 pounds. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20101119/NEWS/11190341

 

[10MMGary]

I have done a lot of things with several 10MM models over the years(as you might have noticed my avatar is a S&W 610 Classic), shooting a bear is not one of them nor will it ever be. 44 Mag is the minimum I would shoot any bear with and that would only be when I have everything possible in my favor. However I must admit I will be getting a HP 10MM just to have it and see what it will do & how well it will do it.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Deer and pigs would be as big as I think I would go with a 10mm. It's a good round but everything has its limits. Shot placement always is key so the accuracy of the firearm and the shooter also come into play.

I prefer to have more gun than I need whenever possible to ensure a humane kill and a quick recovery of the game. One can do many things in life, but doesn't always mean it's smart (yes, I have been there and done many of those things myself).

 

[someguy2800]

Deer and pigs would be as big as I think I would go with a 10mm. It's a good round but everything has its limits. Shot placement always is key so the accuracy of the firearm and the shooter also come into play.

I prefer to have more gun than I need whenever possible to ensure a humane kill and a quick recovery of the game. One can do many things in life, but doesn't always mean it's smart (yes, I have been there and done many of those things myself).

That is my thoughts exactly about deer hunting with a 357 handgun. I've shot 4 deer with a 4" 357 revolver. First one was a deer I was tracking for a family member and was cleanly put down offhand as it was getting up. The second was wounded and not recovered, only the 2nd unrecovered deer in my life. 3rd was another tracking expedition for someone. 4th I shot from the deer stand through the lungs. I had to track it a short distance and shot it twice more in the body and 2 more to the brain to finally put it down. After that I just thought why am I doing this when I have much more appropriate deer hunting firearms?

 

[MTMilitiaman]

I've seen chrono results for the 10mm pushing a 220 gr hardcast at nearly 1300 fps from a 16 inch barrel. That is pretty close to the standard .44 Mag load pushing a 240 gr bullet at 1400 fps from a service revolver. I've thought about possibly getting a MecTech conversion for my Glock 20. Adding another 200 to 300 fps to the already potent 10mm, with the right bullet, makes it suitable for anything up to and including elk.

Elk aren't bulletproof. If you put a hole through their lungs, they die. For generations they were hunted with lever action carbines shooting blackpowder pistol cartridges like the .38-40, .44-40, and .45 Colt. Now all the sudden we are supposed to believe that they require a .338 Earsplitten Loudenboomer? Not buyin it...

Keep in mind you need the right bullet. The 10mm Auto from a handgun is capable of launching most .40 cal bullets at or near their max velocity threshold because they were intended for the .40 S&W. You can't just add more velocity and expect good things to happen because you suddenly have some arbitrary amount of energy. I would stick to something pretty heavy and tough--that 180 gr Trophy Bonded JSP from Federal or a 200 gr XTP or Nosler JHP from Double Tap or Underwood for expanding, or one of the heavy hard casts.

 

[FL-NC]

Hogs. May not be bad for a light defensive gun in black bear country. Hope its made better than their other products.

 

[Merle1]

They rate it to +p which is arbitrary, but that’s not the point. It’s still a blowback 10mm. Even if it holds the pressure of the shot, the action on the gun is going to take a beating with each shot. The gun, if ran “hot” starts battering itself to bits as the springs weaken then your still going to see an action failure. Remember the quality of gun your looking at too. The majority of the gun is plastic with stamped steel bits in the right places. You probably will not be able to see damage like you would on a steel gun where discoloring and galling happen either, so it will be difficult to assess the “health” of the gun. It will go til it blows... be careful.

Not to sound negative towards the gun, I’m not. I do have interest in it and may very well buy one, but the materials used and the hi-point mechanism are not a good fit for a gun that powerful. It will have power or longevity, but not both. If I buy one it will get hand loaded ammo just strong enough to reliably cycle it. And the stamped steel dust cover will be off of it regularly to inspect it internally.

If you are just going to shoot reduced handloads, why not get a 40 S&W?