10mm for wild piggies

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The local area here is beginning to get wild pigs/ferral hogs and I do alot of hiking. I was wondering if the 10mm cartridge would be sufficient if deffence against wild hogs. I don't really want a revolver and I would like to keep the cost down, so, I was thinking an EAA witness in 10mm.

What do you guys think?
 
I used a Glock 20 with extended barrel to put down a 300lb boar. One shot to break it's shoulder, one shot to end the suffering. No problem.

May not be the best choice. However, it certainly will work.

I need to look at a Witness also:D
 
Maybe this could work for you? :evil:

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I heard it worked good for Hogs.

Maybe when I am in San Antonio in June I can con Sgt. Gunner to take me out and give the 1006 a try on them Texas Hogs.

Hint...Hint.....;)
 
The 10mm should work at least as well as 357 magnum, perhaps just a bit bette, on hogs. I would not recommend a 135 or 155 grain hollowpoint, they are designed for rapid expansion. Instead, go for a heavy bullet designed for deeper penetration. The 180 or 200 grain FMJ or hard cast lead should do well. The 10mm in full power trim slightly exceeds the ballistics of the 357, especially with bullets of 180 grains or more.
 
Use a good hardcast or XTP load from Texas-Ammo or Double-Tap and the wild piggie will have no chance... :evil:
 
Yeah, I don't know if anyone markets a cast load with 180 or 200 Gr bullets, but if they were reliable (and you have a lead-approved barrel) I think that would be quite the ticket for hogs.

Pretty much anything a factory loaded 41 Mag can do, a fully-charged 10mm can do as well. Many experts claim the 357 is the minimum for hogs and I'd rank the 41/10mm as a bit better for such a solid beast.
 
Wouldn't a .357 mag have better sectional density than a 10mm?

You have two rounds with almost equal muzzle energy, with the .357 having better penetrative ability because of its SD, I would imagine.

Plus, you could load some pretty decent .357 handloads that would easily surpass any factory 10s.
 
For pistol...10mm Glock or .357 mag..either with good ammo designed for penetration should work well...


Shottie??.. is all good:D

Rifle?? I like my 8mm Mauser with my "GIVE'EM THA LOVE" handloads.:cool:
 
Texas hawgs can be tough and mean:cuss: LJ if you do use the 200 grainers as a first choice followed by the 180 grains unless you have some magsafe ammo or try the rbcd ammo.:cool:
 
Wouldn't a .357 mag have better sectional density than a 10mm?

Only with 200gr bullets. Of course, the trade-off is that you are making a smaller hole... the 10mm has 25% more frontal area.

Plus, you could load some pretty decent .357 handloads that would easily surpass any factory 10s.

Any factory 10s? I guess if you are trying to blow up a Ruger or something, sure. ;)

Anyway, this is an AUTOLOADERS topic, not a wheelgun topic. :p
 
10 is like a .41 mag

Not really. Would be neat if it was. :D

250gr @ 1,325 ft/sec isn't possible with 10mm, for instance, but is a factory .41 Magnum load.

But how many .41 Magnum autoloaders of practical size are there to choose from? ;)
 
Hot 10mm factory ammo is definitely out there and available from places like Corbon, Texas Ammo and DoubleTap.

All sell a "heavy & fast" 200gn load, although DT offers more variety with the heavier bullets and a bit more velocity. DT's "brusier-weight" loads include a 200gn XTP-HP @ 1250fps, a 200gn FMJ-FP @ 1270fps, and a 220gn Poly-FP @ 1125fps. I believe MCNETT just added a 200gn cast bullet to this line-up, but check his site to be sure.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/main_site/index.html (click on "products").

The real issue isn't finding 10mm ammo sufficiently powerful for taking big mean hogs, it's choosing the most reliable envelope for doing it. Personally, I'd go with a 15+1 Glock 20 (using a fitted 6" "hunting" barrel from KKM or Bar-Sto) over the Witness.

Maybe by now Tanfoglio's fixed the reported hit-or-miss reliability issues, but some of the past posts here and on TFL still have me wondering. OTOH, Tanfoglio recently released a real sharp-looking 6" 10mm "hunter" model with a ported barrel, so maybe things are looking up for the Witness line.
 
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personally I would use a 44 mag or 454 casull..........I have 4 10MM's but would opt for the 44 mag as a minimum with Garrett's 310 gr. heavyweight cast ammo at 1325 fps..............
 
Well, for many of us - including those that are not recoil shy - 310 grains at 1325 fps is more than a handful. I know were talking hot loads and tough game here, and I'm far from the most experienced with the hottest factory loads, but I know that I've shot the Winchester Silvertips (210 @ 1,250 fps) and the three heaviest Hornady loads (200 @ 1500, 240 @ 1300, 300 @ 1150) out of my Magnaported 7.5" Super Blackhawk with a scope and the 300 Grain Hornadys were more than I'd want to shoot enough to get proficient with. The Silvertips are pussycats, but the 240 and 300 gr Hornadys are pretty much beyond what a 10mm or 41 are capable of and they are considerably below the Garrett 310s @ 1325.

Those are bad, bad nasty boys and without meaning a flame, anyone that considers those a minimum for any non-bear in North America, should really probably not consider handgun hunting. :p
 
cratz2......damn, I guess I had better get rid of my 375JDJ and my Savage Striker in 308 then, according to you...........I guess some people can handle recoil and some can't...........
 
The 10mm WILL work!

The 10mm auto in the Glock 20 is an excellent choice! When the "magazine restriction" "sunsets," You can carry 18 of Mike McNett's 200 grain FMJ bullets steaming along @ 1275 fps fron the Glock's 4.6" barrel. This generates enough energy and penetration to do the job on most ANY hog.

Go for it!

Scott :cool: :D
 
Glock 20 with a 6" Jarvis barrel. I leave the light on it not because I want to use it while hunting...rather, it adds just a little extra weight to the "business end" that helps control muzzle flip. Also, I carry this set up in the SOE rig pictured.

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Wowser!

Excellent question here, and there seem to be a lot of people contributing who have a better background of experience than I have with either 10mm or .41 magnum.

Also, I seem to be reading some "there ain't nothing better than a .44 magnum for ... almost anything."

I have this brochure published by Winchester which shows factory load stats for both both calibers. The 10mm Winchester seems to be hotter in terms of muzzle velocity than the .41 magnum, so I'm willing to accept for the sake of dicussion that the 10mm is at least comparable to the .41 magnum.

This may not be a convincincing arguement in favor of the 10mm, which is the point I would like to make in terms of pure ballistics. But I remember shooting the .41 magnum ( which I consider a definitive caliber, compared to the .44 magnum, if only in terms of 'shootability' ) and I recall shooting 18 grains of Red Dot behind a 200gr Lead Bullet with a gas check. The darned Ruger Blackhawk insisted on recoiling to a vertical position. I never considered this a desireable reaction to a hunting load, even if you got a first-shot hit.

I have loaded the .41 magnum with 18 grains of Red-Dot, behing a 210 cast=lead bullet, and it was ear-splitting. Also, essentialy unmaneagible.

As a contrast, the 10mm factory full-power loads (I of course don't know the powder or amount of powder) behind a 200gr FMJ is a heavy load ... but the recoil is entirely manageable.

I love the .41 magnum, but if I was after game which might reasonably be expected to require a make-up shot regardless of the caliber, I would prefer to use a round which fits in a gun with a 20-round magazine capacity, quick return to battery/sight-picture, and a reasonable transfer of energy on the first-round hit. The 10mm in a semi-automatic (in my experience, the STI Edge which features a full dust-cover) more nearly meets this criterea than does the Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum.

Both calibers feature a case design which is extremely robust, which suggests that you can load them very 'hot' without risking structural failure of the case ... which would render either action hors de combat.

Personally, I give the edge to the 10mm, in a proper frame (again, I am very impressed by the STI Edge) in the semi-auto family.)

It probably comes down to a few criterea:
BULLET WEIGHT AND CONFIGURATION: Both seem to max out at about 200-210 grains, and I haven't found HP bullets in either caliber ... which is significantly superior. The HP may be better, but for this game animal a solid slug might be preferable, and Montana Gold Bullets makes an excellent 200gr Truncated Round Nose bullet which is extermely reliable in the semi-auto.

Both frames are commonly built on robust frames, which can probably take almost any load you care to shoot. I'm a fan of the faster, flatter load; which explains my preference for the .41 magnum over the .44 magnum. If nothing else, the ballistics are in favor of the .41 magnum rather than the .44 magnum. (And in direct comparison, the .44 is a bugger to shoot!)

Ballistically, the .10mm in semi-auto is at least directly comparable to the .41 magnum. And the semi-auto would seem to be much more comfortable when confronted to feral hogs, or other dangerous game, than the big-recoil revolver rounds.

Of course, it is absurd to campare the easy-to-reload the 20-round 10mm magazine with the single-action .41 magnum capacity of the Ruger Blackhawk. Reload time on the pistol is obviously advantageious when compared with the single-action revolver.

Maybe it's just me, but when comparing the semi-auto pistol advantages of the 10mm pistol with the .41 Magnum single-action revolver, the convenience of reloading and second-shot capability of the pistol seem obviously greater than the exquisite capabilities of a bigbore single-action revolver.

Of coures, if you have access to the Israeli pistol in .41 magnum, that changes the equation dramatically.

Bottom line:
Those tuskers have significant tactical advantages over the pitiful human biological defense mechanisms. I would choose a very short 'brush-gun' rifle with appropriate sights (a C-more or Ghost Ring), depending on your personal preferences, for feral hogs. Listen to Jeff Cooper when chosing your brush-gun, and only choose to hunt the feral hog with a pistol if you are determined to prove something to somebody.

My personal choices would be (in order) an M-14 with a 20-round magazine, an M60 with a 200-round belt, or a BAR (in .30-06) with a 20-round magazine.

Those porkers scare the 'scaramange' out of me.

Jerry the Easily frightened, but OLD by virtue of caution) Geek
 
With all due respect, folks, your replies seem geared toward hunting of wild hogs. If you are not hunting them, you will never see them. Hogs are not predators. Walk through clear areas as much as possible (they favor heavy brush and there is a slight possibility of an attack if it thinks you are cutting off its escape route), make a bit of noise now and then, and they will disappear. ;)
 
Yes...my post (and equipment) is geared towards hunting, but having 15+1 rounds of 200gr. hard cast lead 10mm rounds moving at 1400fps. serves as a nice "safety blanket" if necessary... If you do the math, you will see that this loading does approximate good .41 mag loads. Further, while shot-for-shot, equal quality .44 mag loads will produce more energy, I would think that a "defense-minded" person would rather give up a couple hundered ft/lbs. to gain and "extra" 10 rds loaded into his/her firearm before needed to reload(vs. a 6-shooter...though I love my wheelguns too). That said, if well placed, one is not likely to need a second shot using loads that reach this range. Finally, because of the diameter/sectional density of 10mm rounds compared to say .44 mag rounds, 10mm rounds will penitrate much deeper given the same velocity...

Oh, yeah...don't forget about the extra 15rd. mag. ;)

Here piggy piggy...

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