tommytrauma
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Hmmm. 15, 3 months pregnant, out at 2:30 in the morning on a weeknight harassing passers by. Nothing like a little proactive parenting.
15 year old shot by bicyclist
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Hmmm. 15, 3 months pregnant, out at 2:30 in the morning on a weeknight harassing passers by. Nothing like a little proactive parenting.
Muzzleflash
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The cyclist did some good shooting, though. One handed from a moving bike to a moving van.
Zundfolge
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Well its clear that we need to ban bicycles or French Fries ... or maybe even black men.
thefitzvh
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While I don't condone the bikers actions, and hope he pays dearly for what he did, I must say this:
15 years old and pregnant, out late, acting like an ???????. Sounds to me like the gene pool just got cleaner.
James
15 years old and pregnant, out late, acting like an ???????. Sounds to me like the gene pool just got cleaner.
James
If the government wants to protect kids, they shouldn't lock away guns but rather lock away all the incompetent and irresponsible parents who do more harm than good. Sounds like perp and victim alike didn't get good parenting by a longshot (no pun intended).
Vern Humphrey
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Defend America's honor and civil liberties: vote Bush out.
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Which is to say, "Vote Kerry in."
Yeah -- let's hear it for gun registration, a new and more draconian AWB, and ultimately no firearms at all in private hands.
That'll protect our honor and civil liberties!
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Defend America's honor and civil liberties: vote Bush out.
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Which is to say, "Vote Kerry in."
Yeah -- let's hear it for gun registration, a new and more draconian AWB, and ultimately no firearms at all in private hands.
That'll protect our honor and civil liberties!
thefitzvh
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Hey, how bout we play a nice game of keep-the-damn-thread-on-topic-and-talk-about-sigs-in-PMs?
Your move.
Your move.
RustyHammer
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:banghead:
Penforhire
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Too much cognitive dissonance when I read this. Killing someone for throwing food is just plain wrong. But throwing food is just plain wrong too. I know there is an order of magnitude difference but my head still hurts. People out there are stupid AND dangerous.
And the politicos will probably go for the easy, cop-out, sound-bite answer, as usual: blame the weapon instead of the idiot wielding it.
"An armed society is a polite society." That's only half the equation: the other half is that "a society of people who embody personal responsibility, tolerance, respect for self and others, patience, and compassion is a polite society."
hops
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Would like to hear the shooter's version of the events. The Van occupants admit to throwing food at a moving bicyclist. That borders on assault in my book. Perhaps where the VAN's innocent occupants trying to cause the bicyclist to 'crash' and injure himself? Perhaps the VAN made 'threatening' moves toward the biker as well??????
Tough lesson for the VAN's innocent occupants. Don't throw food at other people. They may throw lead back at higher velocity. Moron's.......
The biker is the victim here - he was provoked for no good reason in to making a poor choice by idiots. Still a very poor choice on his part, one that he may end up paying dearly for.
Tough lesson for the VAN's innocent occupants. Don't throw food at other people. They may throw lead back at higher velocity. Moron's.......
The biker is the victim here - he was provoked for no good reason in to making a poor choice by idiots. Still a very poor choice on his part, one that he may end up paying dearly for.
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At least there's no ethnic difference between the two actors, else we'd hear more about summer riots.
StopTheGrays
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That happened in the crap hole section of Milwaukee called the Core. That sort of thing happens there all the time. I am surprised they even printed the race of the victims and the perp. Most times they gloss that over so as not to "offend" anyone.
I look at it as just one more reason CCW is needed in WI. With violent people like that shooter out there people need a way to defend themselves.
I look at it as just one more reason CCW is needed in WI. With violent people like that shooter out there people need a way to defend themselves.
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I'm going to have to find out if I can shoot accurately from a bicycle.
TallPine
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They should make it illegal to carry food in a car now.
Vern Humphrey
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They should make it illegal to carry food in a car now.
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Well, they should certainly outlaw french fry boxes that hold more than ten frys!
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They should make it illegal to carry food in a car now.
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Well, they should certainly outlaw french fry boxes that hold more than ten frys!
Vern Humphrey
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I will assume that most of us have a Concealed Handgun License (as we call it in Arkansas) and have taken the necessary training.
I don't think any of us can read the story as it has been presented so far, and objectively conclude that the biker was in reasonable fear of imminent death or grevious bodily harm.
Going beyond that, I don't think we can say if he DID feel he was in imminent danger, killing the girl was the correct way to protect himself.
So, based on what we know now, we would be irresponsible to label the biker as the victim.
Remember, antis sometimes read these posts -- and would use such a rush to defend the man with the gun as evidence that gun owners are irresponsible.
I don't think any of us can read the story as it has been presented so far, and objectively conclude that the biker was in reasonable fear of imminent death or grevious bodily harm.
Going beyond that, I don't think we can say if he DID feel he was in imminent danger, killing the girl was the correct way to protect himself.
So, based on what we know now, we would be irresponsible to label the biker as the victim.
Remember, antis sometimes read these posts -- and would use such a rush to defend the man with the gun as evidence that gun owners are irresponsible.
That is the most ignorant statement I have ran across in awhile. He murdered a teen-age girl for throwing french fries at him.
Regardless of how immature or irresponsible with her sex life the girl (VICTIM) was, there is no justification for the cyclist's actions. I say charge the POS with 2nd degree murder and throw him under the jail. Scum like this are the reason we have to fight so hard to overcome the negative associations with firearms.
Sleeping Dog
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This whole story sounds a little fishy.
A french fry? From a passing van at 2am? Would any bicycle rider even notice something like that?
I'd guess there was a lot more "exchanging" going on than that. I'd bet the shooter had history with someone in the van, maybe the driver, maybe the girl.
Anyway, I wouldn't call the bicyclist "the victim" here. He's not the one in the ground.
Regards.
A french fry? From a passing van at 2am? Would any bicycle rider even notice something like that?
I'd guess there was a lot more "exchanging" going on than that. I'd bet the shooter had history with someone in the van, maybe the driver, maybe the girl.
Anyway, I wouldn't call the bicyclist "the victim" here. He's not the one in the ground.
Regards.
Warren
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I'd say that the bike rider and all the occupants of the van have a long history of making bad decisions. Eventually that kind of thing will bite you in rear.
This is what happened here.
It's too bad for the girl. I'll make damn sure my girls are raised better.
This is what happened here.
It's too bad for the girl. I'll make damn sure my girls are raised better.
WhiteKnight
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IMHO a 15 year-old pregnant girl isn't at all innocent.
I can honestly say I've feared for my life more than once while biking. I've had empty glass beer bottles, magazines, and even rocks thrown at me from windows of passing automobiles who occasionally purposefully swerve unnecessarily close to me and blare the horn simply in the hope I'll run off the road. Is that "a lethal threat?" Any time there is a significant chance I may die due to the deliberate actions of others I do consider it a lethal threat. Are you ever afraid of terrible drivers while in your car? Imagine being on a bike.
I'd agree with Sleeping Dog RE their probably being a bigger altercation than just throwing french fries. However, the girl did NOTHING (that is to say, she did not try to kill the man) to provoke using a firearm. She is the victim. I am very sorry this happened to her and her would-be child.
Greybeard
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Quote: "I am very sorry this happened to her and her would-be child."
Yep, same here. But it sound like, odds are, that would-be child would likely have grown up in an environment conducive to developing a mentallity like that of the shooter.
Yep, same here. But it sound like, odds are, that would-be child would likely have grown up in an environment conducive to developing a mentallity like that of the shooter.
Gameface
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The whole story sounds fishy.
A french fry from a passing van? If he was on a bike and didn't alrady have the gun in hand then a passing van should have been gone before he could have "pulled up and shot." The whole story is far from being told.
Gameface
A french fry from a passing van? If he was on a bike and didn't alrady have the gun in hand then a passing van should have been gone before he could have "pulled up and shot." The whole story is far from being told.
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