1858 Remington maker?
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WALKERs210
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F.I.E. is the acronym for Firearms Import & Export) located in Hialeah, FL until 1990
F.I.E. filed bankruptcy in November of 1990 and all models were discontinued. Some parts or service for these older firearms may be obtained through Numrich Gun Parts Corp. (see Trademark Index), even though all warranties on F.I.E. guns are void. This is from the Blue Book of Guns.
F.I.E. filed bankruptcy in November of 1990 and all models were discontinued. Some parts or service for these older firearms may be obtained through Numrich Gun Parts Corp. (see Trademark Index), even though all warranties on F.I.E. guns are void. This is from the Blue Book of Guns.
junkman_01
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Thanks for replying. I already knew about FIE. They imported this gun, but did not make it. I was inquiring about who actually made it. I am not familiar with the PR on the butt and suspect it is the manufacturer.
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I have one like this to I always wondererd who was the maker also. This one still shoots but does need some work. You have to pull back on the hammer hard for it to line up properly. It's my only 1858 so I haven't really worked on them much. I mainly just mess with my colts.
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Here's the gun
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WALKERs210
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Just looked at all the Italian Proof marks and that one is not there. But I don't give up easy. Didn't mean proof mark but makers mark. Not a Pietta
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junkman_01
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After some in depth searching in the THR archives I came up with a post that linked to this website...
http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htm
It lists all Italian gun makers from 1945-1980.
There is a Pierino Ruschetta listed, and I think the PR could be him!?
http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htm
It lists all Italian gun makers from 1945-1980.
There is a Pierino Ruschetta listed, and I think the PR could be him!?
Shotgun Willy
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I recently sold an 1851 Colt clone, made by PR. I still have a Zouave, made by PR and imported by DART. Who PR was, is one of those questions that nobody really can answer, for sure.
junkman_01
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I hope that is NOT the case. Somebody out there knows! I sure would like to know after all these years.
arcticap
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DART was an Italian gun smithing outfit and exporter.
I'm not sure what difference it really makes. What if the parts originated from one of the major manufacturers and "PR" only assembled and timed them? No one knows the workers who assembled and timed their factory Pietta's, Uberti's, ASM's, or ASP's etc...
They're just built by anonymous employees under the manufacturer's name plate.
The initials PR does provide some identification for tracking.
It would also be as interesting to know who actually made the frame, cylinder and other parts than to know the name of the gun smithing outfit that finished it, right? Beside his initials, no one would know him from Adam, and you may already have the right name for PR and not even know it. Would that make you a lot happier to learn that Pierino Ruschetta's outfit actually built your gun and still not know which company's cylinder would fit it as a direct replacement, if any?
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It's called provenance. Knowing the origin and progenitors provides authenticity and uniqueness to an otherwise common object. For a true antique, provenance is the next most important quality behind condition, and the same can be said for these unusual guns now nearing a 'quasi-antique' status.
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I do realize that. But look at any importer like CVA or Navy Arms, some guns aren't even marked yet we can sometimes surmise the original manufacturers for parts, or by comparing parts and features.
But even if PR is determined, where the parts came from may still not be known.
There are lots of anonymously made products in the world, and even when the manufacturer is known, the names of the designers, subcontractors or the actual workers aren't.
What we don't know about or care to know doesn't bother us, but a couple of unknown initials stamped on a product do seem to.
I can understand the desire to know, but then there are so many other products built with similar anonymity that it shouldn't be too much of a disappointment.
If someone said that they had a gun built by Pierino Ruschetta, who else would recognize it? If you said that you have a PR, then more folks would. The maker chose to use the initials and not his name. If he had become famous enough for it to matter, then his name would be associated enough with his initials to be known far and wide. But in this case they are not, so the actual name of the builder may not matter as much for identification as the 2 simple initials do. For instance, it doesn't seem to be a matter of great enough importance that it would affect the gun's value at all.
But even if PR is determined, where the parts came from may still not be known.
There are lots of anonymously made products in the world, and even when the manufacturer is known, the names of the designers, subcontractors or the actual workers aren't.
What we don't know about or care to know doesn't bother us, but a couple of unknown initials stamped on a product do seem to.
I can understand the desire to know, but then there are so many other products built with similar anonymity that it shouldn't be too much of a disappointment.
If someone said that they had a gun built by Pierino Ruschetta, who else would recognize it? If you said that you have a PR, then more folks would. The maker chose to use the initials and not his name. If he had become famous enough for it to matter, then his name would be associated enough with his initials to be known far and wide. But in this case they are not, so the actual name of the builder may not matter as much for identification as the 2 simple initials do. For instance, it doesn't seem to be a matter of great enough importance that it would affect the gun's value at all.
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bprevolver
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I have been trying to find out who PR is for over 15yrs without much luck. Other markings that are still a mystery are:
DOM
COM
MOFRA
Double Diamond
DOM
COM
MOFRA
Double Diamond
arcticap
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bprevolver said:
So you don't think that MOFRA is the name of an Italian gunsmith?
Post #5:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=429374&highlight=MOFRA
In post #10 of the thread below, it looks like you were also given the identity of MOFRA back in 2007 by another poster who also researched it for you:
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/forum/DisplayForum.cfm?SubjectID=16945
I think that this only serves to illustrate my point of just how important (or unimportant as the case may be) it is to really learn the true identity of an obscure Italian gun maker. If it was important enough to know then a person would at least remember that the gunsmith was identified twice and that it provided some sort of satisfaction.
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junkman_01
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As I already stated, I would be happy to learn who 'PR' is. I think I would remember it.
arcticap
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sebou recently posted about COM on TFL [in Post #34]:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4231079#post4231079
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4231079#post4231079
arcticap said:
Translates in part to "Contrini Mechanical Workshops of John Contrini"
He's also a registered gunsmith on the list of Gunsmith's in Italy 1945-1980:
That information is sure to make some folks very happy.
bigbadgun
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i have a .22 SA thats marked F.I.E. need to take a closer look at that thing and see if there are any other marks on it . lol
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I might be able to help in a few weeks when I get back over that way. The day I took my .31 in to lock it up in a safety deposit box I was talking to a man and his daughter and he was telling me something about a 'Double Diamond' on a gun he owns. He's just like I was 10 years ago; dosen't even know how to turn on a computer. He paid his daughter (she's about 19 now. lot younger when he paid her) and she spent about eight weeks but she found a bunch of stuff about it. I don't know where or how. They were nice people but I just wanted to get in my truck and get back home....
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Many of us are seeking about "PR", and it could be Pierrino Ruschetta.
While, i am not sure at this time. The more oldest revovler i have seen it's "PR" dated of 1973, "EIE PR" dated of 1972 and "FIE PR" dated of 1971.
Then, i had make many search to know when Pierino Ruschetta has start his compagny and i didn't found anything to help me with "earmit" or "NCIC" or else.
Is someone could tell me when PR start his production ?
Thx
Seb
Many of us are seeking about "PR", and it could be Pierrino Ruschetta.
While, i am not sure at this time. The more oldest revovler i have seen it's "PR" dated of 1973, "EIE PR" dated of 1972 and "FIE PR" dated of 1971.
Then, i had make many search to know when Pierino Ruschetta has start his compagny and i didn't found anything to help me with "earmit" or "NCIC" or else.
Is someone could tell me when PR start his production ?
Thx
Seb
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