Fishslayer
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I'm in!
22lr SP101...Where are they already?????
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22-rimfire
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Why does the 22LR version of the SP-101 "need to be cheaper" than the 357 mag version? This is something I can not understand other than folks believe the 22LR to be a "cheap caliber to shoot", hence the guns should be cheap too as compared to a "real gun" like the SP-101 357 mag.
Fishslayer
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Because for the vast majority of us a .22 is going to be a range toy. Hard to justify $1k+ for a range plinker.
I can't see that. It requires the same materials and labor as the .357s and, in addition, has upgraded front and rear sights plus nicer grips. I would expect it to be slightly, but not greatly, more than an SP in .357. I will definitely purchase one when they are available. No doubter.
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I'll bet this forum is littered with guys that have $1k range toys....What does the sum of 1000 bucks have to do with the SP anyway? It isn't gonna cost that much.
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I can hardly wait for them to get released, the buying frenzy at MSRP+ to come and go, and then they start to show up on the used market for probably in the 400 dollar range. I'd like to have one for a beater .22 pistol.
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Cheap .22 guns...
I don't get the hang up on price with .22 handguns.
Think about it: you will shoot your .22 more than you shoot any other gun. Why shouldn't you spend more on a gun that you are going to be putting 10s of thousands of rounds through?
I've been waiting one of these for years. I'm 100% in...
I don't get the hang up on price with .22 handguns.
Think about it: you will shoot your .22 more than you shoot any other gun. Why shouldn't you spend more on a gun that you are going to be putting 10s of thousands of rounds through?
I've been waiting one of these for years. I'm 100% in...
bearman49709
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With the lead time of 3-4 months for magazines I suspect that Ruger planed to have it ready when they allowed G&A to veiw, use and do the writeup. Rember this was the Aug. edition that had the write up on it.
22-rimfire
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There was a thread a while back that discussed this. I don't get the hang up either. Actually I do because I have heard this kind of thing for years. If you want a good DA 22 revolver, you pay for it. Find them used, but you still pay. Prices on S&W Model 17's have been climbing rapidly in the last year.
The new Ruger SP-101 will not sell for $1000. I suspect it will be the same price as other SP-101's after the dust settles following the release.
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Same here. The "why aren't .22 versions of other handguns cheaper?" question is a pet peeve of my mine. It's asking gun makers to produce a handgun with the same quality and complexity of manufacture as their centerfire offerings and yet somehow price it arbitrarily cheaper--what, as like a favor to you or something?
Meanwhile, there are scads of zinc and plastic rimfire guns out there made with every shortcut to appeal to the ".22 handgun = cheap" folks. And then people bitch and moan about their slides cracking . . .
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so long as we are drifting OT some, anybody heard more on the Browning 1911-22s ?
(this does seem to be the year for interesting new rimfires)
(this does seem to be the year for interesting new rimfires)
I already have a MkII .22 auto and an H&R .22 revolver.
I can buy a few really nice H&R .22 revolvers for the price of an sp101.
Or I could buy a single six .22.
The limited practicality of a high priced .22 revolver is one of the main reasons I wouldn't normally buy one. With a .327, .38, .357, .44, or .45 I can use it as a highly effective SD/HD gun. With the .357/.44/.45, I can use it for hunting big game, too.
The .22, I can only use for plinking/small game, not big game/primary SD.
Some of us don't mine paying way too damn much for a gun.
Some of us do.
To each his own.
I don't care if someone else likes to pay a lot of money for a plinker or range toy.
What I don't get is why they care that some of us don't.
I can buy a few really nice H&R .22 revolvers for the price of an sp101.
Or I could buy a single six .22.
The limited practicality of a high priced .22 revolver is one of the main reasons I wouldn't normally buy one. With a .327, .38, .357, .44, or .45 I can use it as a highly effective SD/HD gun. With the .357/.44/.45, I can use it for hunting big game, too.
The .22, I can only use for plinking/small game, not big game/primary SD.
Some of us don't mine paying way too damn much for a gun.
Some of us do.
To each his own.
I don't care if someone else likes to pay a lot of money for a plinker or range toy.
What I don't get is why they care that some of us don't.
oldfool
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"What I don't get is why they care that some of us don't.
We don't care that some of you don't.
The comments here and elsewhere are virtually all from the other side, re: critical of why some of us will pay equal dollars for rimfire and centerfire.
I run thousands of rounds thru my k-17s vs relatively few hundred thru my k-66s, easily 10:1 ratio, sometimes maybe even 100:1 ratio. That has a real high value for me; I shoot my 38/357s better because of that. I own plenty of other rimfires for just "plinking" too.
Not a snowballs chance that I will ever wear those k-17s out, and they will shoot targets at least as well as my 6 7/8 Ruger MKIII, maybe as well as my 10" bull barrel MKII, and better than my $150 Hi-Standard or S&W622.. I shoot 'em all and enjoy 'em all... but none have as much value to me as the practice companion clones for my "real" guns.
(hint = see my post #23)
YMMV, no problemo
a Heritage RoughRider will do just fine for plinking tin cans, have fun
We don't care that some of you don't.
The comments here and elsewhere are virtually all from the other side, re: critical of why some of us will pay equal dollars for rimfire and centerfire.
I run thousands of rounds thru my k-17s vs relatively few hundred thru my k-66s, easily 10:1 ratio, sometimes maybe even 100:1 ratio. That has a real high value for me; I shoot my 38/357s better because of that. I own plenty of other rimfires for just "plinking" too.
Not a snowballs chance that I will ever wear those k-17s out, and they will shoot targets at least as well as my 6 7/8 Ruger MKIII, maybe as well as my 10" bull barrel MKII, and better than my $150 Hi-Standard or S&W622.. I shoot 'em all and enjoy 'em all... but none have as much value to me as the practice companion clones for my "real" guns.
(hint = see my post #23)
YMMV, no problemo
a Heritage RoughRider will do just fine for plinking tin cans, have fun
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I collect gun magazines. I have boxes of: Shooting times, Handguns, guns & ammo, etc. Some go back to the 60's. I'm running out of storage, but it's nice to go and find the original article about a particular gun.
I went and pulled the 1997 Ruger catalog and went to the sp101 section. They offered 3 models in 22.
KSP-221 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 2 1/4" 32oz.
KSP-240 6-shot, Adj, short shroud, 4" 33 oz.
KSP-241 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 4" 34oz.
These were the heaviest of all the sp101's due to the bore being smaller (for that reason much stronger). Most of your 22 revolvers are the same as their counter parts in 38 caliber; why should they cost less? I shoot my 22's more frequently than my bigger calibers, and like Old Fool stated, "That has a real high value for me".
I went and pulled the 1997 Ruger catalog and went to the sp101 section. They offered 3 models in 22.
KSP-221 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 2 1/4" 32oz.
KSP-240 6-shot, Adj, short shroud, 4" 33 oz.
KSP-241 6-shot, Adj, full shroud, 4" 34oz.
These were the heaviest of all the sp101's due to the bore being smaller (for that reason much stronger). Most of your 22 revolvers are the same as their counter parts in 38 caliber; why should they cost less? I shoot my 22's more frequently than my bigger calibers, and like Old Fool stated, "That has a real high value for me".
No need for folks to get all butthurt over comments that a 22 should be cheap.
Ruger pistols are based on quality and value. I will not pay 1 grand for a Ruger pistol, 22 or otherwise. I own quite a few Rugers, including some .22s, so I feel entitled to voice my thoughts on what price I think this revolver should go for, without the resident 22 cheerleading squad trying to carve me a new one.
Ruger pistols are based on quality and value. I will not pay 1 grand for a Ruger pistol, 22 or otherwise. I own quite a few Rugers, including some .22s, so I feel entitled to voice my thoughts on what price I think this revolver should go for, without the resident 22 cheerleading squad trying to carve me a new one.
oldfool
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"Where does this $1000 figure keep coming from?"
beats me
"Ruger pistols are based on quality and value."
Yes, they are -
MSRP, SP101 centerfire, Ruger's website $629
MSRP, new Ruger SP rimfire G&A premature article $645
This is a significant disparity, the rimfire variant should be somehow cheaper to produce ?? I don't personally know anybody who ever paid MSRP for a NIB gun of current manufacture, anyway. I don't
$500-$600 handguns are anything but "high priced elitist" flavor these days.
At the end of the day, it's all just fitness for function; what you choose to do with yours justifies the price you are willing to pay for it, be it $50 or $5000
There are some truly serious benchrest shooters out there who spend $10,000 on a rimfire BR50 full setup (rifle rest, scope, rifle, etc.) It ain't my thing, but I admire and respect what they do. Same could be said of Olympic class target rimfire pistolas. I am not telling anybody to rush out and get a bank loan for their next rimfire purchase, but do consider what you intend to do with the gun before you set your own price range. A wallyworld CO2 pistola will punch holes in easy opening aluminum cans.
No need for folks to get all butthurt over comments that a 22 need not be cheap.
PS
my 3" Ruger SP101 centerfire cost me $300, NIB
(well, ok it was a few decades ago when they 1st came out, and my 1st S&W 6" model 66 cost me $329 NIB. Neither was a cheapo 2nd rate handgun, then or now. Gasoline didn't cost $3-$4 a gallon either. My last NIB Ruger MKIII rimfire cost me a tad over $400, and that was maybe 3 years ago, before all the current insanity; current Ruger website MSRP $638)
beats me
"Ruger pistols are based on quality and value."
Yes, they are -
MSRP, SP101 centerfire, Ruger's website $629
MSRP, new Ruger SP rimfire G&A premature article $645
This is a significant disparity, the rimfire variant should be somehow cheaper to produce ?? I don't personally know anybody who ever paid MSRP for a NIB gun of current manufacture, anyway. I don't
$500-$600 handguns are anything but "high priced elitist" flavor these days.
At the end of the day, it's all just fitness for function; what you choose to do with yours justifies the price you are willing to pay for it, be it $50 or $5000
There are some truly serious benchrest shooters out there who spend $10,000 on a rimfire BR50 full setup (rifle rest, scope, rifle, etc.) It ain't my thing, but I admire and respect what they do. Same could be said of Olympic class target rimfire pistolas. I am not telling anybody to rush out and get a bank loan for their next rimfire purchase, but do consider what you intend to do with the gun before you set your own price range. A wallyworld CO2 pistola will punch holes in easy opening aluminum cans.
No need for folks to get all butthurt over comments that a 22 need not be cheap.
PS
my 3" Ruger SP101 centerfire cost me $300, NIB
(well, ok it was a few decades ago when they 1st came out, and my 1st S&W 6" model 66 cost me $329 NIB. Neither was a cheapo 2nd rate handgun, then or now. Gasoline didn't cost $3-$4 a gallon either. My last NIB Ruger MKIII rimfire cost me a tad over $400, and that was maybe 3 years ago, before all the current insanity; current Ruger website MSRP $638)
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oldfool
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(kindly post pics and range report)
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No thanks.
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It looks over sized and over priced.. Its like all the rugers to big ,,it needs sized down some for me,And I said for me,, I have a single 6, 6 1/2 in, in stainless. that feels over sized some times,, For the money I buy a S/W
I'm really not certain where either of those sentiments come from but you did say "for me". Still, it's a mystery to me. Oversized compared to what? Overpriced compared to what?
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Model: Model 317 Kit Gun™
.Caliber: .22 LR
.Capacity: 8 Rounds
.Barrel Length: 3" / 7.6 cm
.Front Sight: HI-VIZ® Fiber Optic Green
.Rear Sight: Adjustable
.Grip: Synthetic
.Action: Single/Double Action
.Frame Size: Small - Exposed Hammer
.Finish: Matte Silver
.Overall Length: 7.19" / 18.3 cm
.Material: Aluminum Alloy Frame
Aluminum Alloy Cylinder
.Weight Empty: 12.5 oz / 354.4 g
.Purpose: Recreational
Professional/ Duty
12.5 OZ< ruger 30 OZ,,, hummmm looks over sized to me,,,,,
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