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30-06 or .308

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by HydrostatiK, Nov 16, 2009.

  1. HydrostatiK

    HydrostatiK Active Member

    Which would be a better cartridge choice for long range shooting. WHich one is going to be accurate at a longer distance?
  2. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    how much accuracy do you expect over what kind of ranges?


    Handloads or factory ammo?

    There are many more match grade choices for the 308 for factory loads.

    If you handload there isn't anything the 308 can do that 30/06 can't do better

    The same Reasoning also applies to rifle selection for custom vs off the shelf rifles
  3. Extremely Pro Gun

    Extremely Pro Gun Well-Known Member

    308 is a military round that will be easier to find in a SHTF situation. For example, the Chinese attack us. Or Obama attacks us.
  4. Robert

    Robert Moderator

    Are you looking to compete in long range shooting or just for fun out in the pasture?
  5. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    let me ask you a question

    Has 308/7.62x51mm been easier to find than 30-06 in the past years SHasTF ammo climate?
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    What makes you think the military is gonna give you their ammo?

    The major social upheavals in this country during the 20th century found the military & police disarming folks, not arming them.

  7. leadaddict

    leadaddict Well-Known Member

    I agree that if you DON'T handload get the .308 as you will have a much wider range of premium ammunition choices. If you do handload and want somewhat better ballistics you could go with the .30-06, but either one is a more than adequate choice. I personally prefer the .308.
  8. BigO01

    BigO01 Well-Known Member

    ROFLMAO !!

    Uh Extremely have ya ever heard of the 06 Springfield or the M1 Garand ?

    Both were chambered for the 30 06 and American Military main Battle rifles in their respective days so the 30 06 was a military round years before the 308 was around . FYI the 308 was derived from the 06 as a shorter version so a soldier would have more rounds available without sacraficing too much in the power department .

    As far as civilian availability I have always found the supply of 30 06 is always larger then the 308 anywhere from the "Mart Stores" to the small gun and tackle shops that I often find in the "Sticks" when going hunting , but that could be a regional thing who knows .

    AS to HydrostatiK question both are equally accurate at about any range but the 06 will reach those long distances easier and with more authority when it gets there since it can achieve higher velocities than the 308 . Also the 308 shines best when bullets are kept at no more than 180 grains while the 06 performs well with bullets up to 220 grains for larger game like Bears and Moose .
  9. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    Well, the first thing we have to do is define long range. From a competitive point of view, long range target shooting is at 800 yards to 1,000 yards. If you don't reload, then the .308 is really your only choice, since factory target ammo in .30-06 is pretty much nonexistent, and even when it is found (Federal Gold Medal Match), it is down loaded to about the same velocity as .308 match ammo is. However, if you reload, you can take advantage of the .30-06's larger case capacity, and develop match loads that will extend it's range to well beyond the .308's range. Using my standard .30-06 match load of a 190SMK at 2900fps, exterior ballistics software calculates the bullet going transonic at about 1400 yards. This should trump a .308 sending a 155gr Lapua at 2925fps, due to the 190SMK having a higher BC. With all this being said, it is not the cartridge that is accurate - it is the combination of rifle, load, and shooter. Pick yourself a good rifle, develop a good load, and practice.

  10. falldowngoboom

    falldowngoboom Well-Known Member

    Speaking of which, I've heard the 308 is inherently a slightly more accurate cartridge. Can anyone explain this to me? Or is it just one of those things? Or is it a bunch of hooey?
  11. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    What...? A bunch of...hooey?

    You are correct...that IS a bunch of...hooey!

    Numerous records set with the old -06 will prove this. If the 308 never was, and the 30-06 was still in favor with the military, it would be nothing but how good the 30-06 is.

    People tend to laminate what ever the military is using....
  12. Maverick223

    Maverick223 Well-Known Member

    GG, are you serious? The .30-06 won't even work in a SHTF scenario...it won't feed right with all of the **** on it. :banghead:

    Well said, USSR

    Exactly...just like the almighty 5.56 in intermediate caliber, ooh...ah...mil-spec. [insert smiley with zombies following one another] :D
  13. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Well-Known Member

    I have recently contemplated this question and after some study, decided on...


    which is a .308 win case with the neck sized for .284 pills

    but then again.... long range for me is 300 yds.... maybe 500
  14. knights_armorer

    knights_armorer Well-Known Member

    it has been said, but never really proven definitively.

    the thinking behind this is that due to the smaller available space in the 308 case, that a powder charge would burn more evenly and uniformly, compared to the '06 round which of course has more unused space in the case,,,,,,,,however,,,,,,,,,,with the excellent control of burn rates with modern powders (like the hodgdon extreme line) this is really a non-issue.

    in my opinion neither holds an edge in inherent accuracy. i do believe that the '06 allows more flexibility due to this very reason, as measurably better performance can be milked out of that larger case.

    i prefer the '06, and always will. 103 years old and still the high power cartridge all others are measured by.
  15. sleepyone

    sleepyone Well-Known Member

    IMHO, balistically, they are very close until you get to distances where most of us aren't going to be very accurate shots given terrain, wind, elevation changes, moving targets, etc. At those distances, say 400+ yards, the 30-06 can deliver more knock down power simply because it can hold more powder in it's much larger case.

    If you are recoil sensitive at all, go with the 308. if not, 30-06. Either way, you won't make a mistake.
  16. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Well-Known Member

    I don't ever envision myself doing any hunting and for shooting groups at 300 yards, the .308 is just dandy. Also, most short barrel tactical rifles, like my 20" Remmy 700 SPS, only come in .223 or .308.

    If I ever needed to hunt, I'd be good for elk with a 165 gr bullet out to 250 yards.
  17. glockmon

    glockmon Well-Known Member

    I've been having similar interests in long range shooting. I myself am looking for a heavy barrel 30-06 but, seems noone is making them anymore. At least that I can find ? Anyone know of any between 600-800 clams. I want to shoot 600 yards, possibly out to 1000. I know my 1903 can do it but I don't like shooting it very much. Thanks
  18. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    The Savage 'Custom Shop' will turn you a 30-06 heavy barrel and put it on a Model 110-

    I believe they still do this. Not completely sure, call them 1-800-370-0708
  19. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    That's exactly what I found, as well. So, about 10 years ago, I sent a Winchester M70 long action out to Jack Krieger with instructions as to how to create my honest-to-God 1,000 yard .30-06. Am more than pleased with the result.


  20. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Another vote for the 06. By the way he never mentioned anything about a SHTF scenario. He asked which one was better for long range shooting.

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