30-30, 30-06 & .357 carbine: compare/contrast
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BluesBear
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Intimidation factor is a mostly usless concept.
Any size bullet can kill you but no size works every time, all of the time.
Either a miscreant is worried about getting shot or they're not.
Ignoring the fact that there have been very few 10 gauge double barrel shotguns produced in the past 100 years does anyone really think a badguy who has invaded your domestic domain in the wee hours can really tell the difference between bore sizes? Hell's bells™ from 25' I can't even tell 10ga from 12 ga from 16ga.
If you ever confront a badguy who stands still long enough to assess your weapons capabilities then you probably have a much larger problem than simple Breaking & Entering.
Unless you live in the Clampett Mansion a simple load of #8 birdshot can be simply devastating at length of hallway distances. However at those ranges a shotgun requires just as much aiming as a carbine.
Your best home defense weapon is whatever you are familiar with and comfortable using. It must be accurate and reliable.
Any size bullet can kill you but no size works every time, all of the time.
Either a miscreant is worried about getting shot or they're not.
Ignoring the fact that there have been very few 10 gauge double barrel shotguns produced in the past 100 years does anyone really think a badguy who has invaded your domestic domain in the wee hours can really tell the difference between bore sizes? Hell's bells™ from 25' I can't even tell 10ga from 12 ga from 16ga.
If you ever confront a badguy who stands still long enough to assess your weapons capabilities then you probably have a much larger problem than simple Breaking & Entering.
Unless you live in the Clampett Mansion a simple load of #8 birdshot can be simply devastating at length of hallway distances. However at those ranges a shotgun requires just as much aiming as a carbine.
Your best home defense weapon is whatever you are familiar with and comfortable using. It must be accurate and reliable.
AStone
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Rem 700XCR
Today was my 'day off'.
After a morning (a time of day i don't normally see because i work nights) meeting, i spent the next four hours in gun shops.
Well, the first one was the sporting good counter at a local BiMart. Looked at .22LR (Marlin, Ruger, Savage), then Ruger M77, Remington 700, Weatherby something.
Then I went to a real gun shop where I fondled Ruger GP100 & SW 686 & 686+. (It's going to be one of the later, but that's a different thread.)
Also handled the CZ 452 .22LR, which I like a lot. Probably going to buy that one. (But, also a different thread.)
But what really melted my butter was a Remington 700XCR (Extreme Condition Rifle) in .30-06.
Now, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to invest in a .30. It may be that the 870P, a Kahr K9, & a .22LR is enough for what I need. (OK, OK, I'm likely to add the .357.)
But if I do buy a larger caliber rifle for those 'longer-than-slug' deer/elk kills, then I'm thinking it may just be a Rem 700XCR.
Wow. The moment I picked it up, it felt right. All that super stainless. That ergonomic synth stock. Smooth action. Safety right where it should be. Very interesting new cartridge system superceding the magazine. An R3 pad.
Price tag: $750. Immediate sticker shock.
Thought I'd have to sit down.
But, after repeatedly picking it up off the rack in the store (something ... kept...making me ... pick it up... again and again, racking the bolt...) and after some reflection, if I was forced - at gun point - to spend somewhere between $400 & $1000 tonight for a .30, that would be the gun.
As always, thoughts welcome.
Nem
Today was my 'day off'.
After a morning (a time of day i don't normally see because i work nights) meeting, i spent the next four hours in gun shops.
Well, the first one was the sporting good counter at a local BiMart. Looked at .22LR (Marlin, Ruger, Savage), then Ruger M77, Remington 700, Weatherby something.
Then I went to a real gun shop where I fondled Ruger GP100 & SW 686 & 686+. (It's going to be one of the later, but that's a different thread.)
Also handled the CZ 452 .22LR, which I like a lot. Probably going to buy that one. (But, also a different thread.)
But what really melted my butter was a Remington 700XCR (Extreme Condition Rifle) in .30-06.
Now, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to invest in a .30. It may be that the 870P, a Kahr K9, & a .22LR is enough for what I need. (OK, OK, I'm likely to add the .357.)
But if I do buy a larger caliber rifle for those 'longer-than-slug' deer/elk kills, then I'm thinking it may just be a Rem 700XCR.
Wow. The moment I picked it up, it felt right. All that super stainless. That ergonomic synth stock. Smooth action. Safety right where it should be. Very interesting new cartridge system superceding the magazine. An R3 pad.
Price tag: $750. Immediate sticker shock.
Thought I'd have to sit down.But, after repeatedly picking it up off the rack in the store (something ... kept...making me ... pick it up... again and again, racking the bolt...) and after some reflection, if I was forced - at gun point - to spend somewhere between $400 & $1000 tonight for a .30, that would be the gun.
As always, thoughts welcome.
Nem
sumpnz
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Sounds to me like you've found your gun. When I found my Sig P245, it was the same thing. Picked it up and it was just perfect for my hands. Go buy that Remmy or you'll be Jonesing for it until you do. I nearly bought that Sig when I saw it at the gunshow. A week later the dealer still had it, so I snatched it up before someone else got it (or I went insane).
Remington's rifles and anything stainless/synthetic aren't my style, but that's why they call it "personal preference". Go for it. You won't regret doing so.
Remington's rifles and anything stainless/synthetic aren't my style, but that's why they call it "personal preference". Go for it. You won't regret doing so.
BluesBear
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Now that you know what you want, go find the best price.
If you shop around a little while and bide your time, chances are you can save a bit of money.
If you shop around a little while and bide your time, chances are you can save a bit of money.
AStone
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Jonesing for a bit
Sometimes, 'a bit' is a lot.
I heard that.sumpnz said:
I heard that, too.
Sometimes, 'a bit' is a lot.
AStone
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Attached is my current dream collection.
{Interesting that this is my 400th post to THR.}
Correctly name each of the five, win a Snickers bar worth $.75.
{Model numbers required, including all letters & numbers; no purchase necessary.}
Blue background indicates 'already owned'.
{Please remove ski mask before entering studio after hours.}
Others are tbp (to be purchased) asap,
with priority of purchase indicated by vertical position, top to bottom.
Did I mention the sheer exhileration experienced when handling that .30-06?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30418&stc=1&d=1130398614
{Interesting that this is my 400th post to THR.}
Correctly name each of the five, win a Snickers bar worth $.75.
{Model numbers required, including all letters & numbers; no purchase necessary.}
Blue background indicates 'already owned'.
{Please remove ski mask before entering studio after hours.}
Others are tbp (to be purchased) asap,
with priority of purchase indicated by vertical position, top to bottom.
Did I mention the sheer exhileration experienced when handling that .30-06?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30418&stc=1&d=1130398614
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BluesBear
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You're a lucky man.
I have several times that many guns but I am still a long way off from having 20% of my dream collection.
But then, without dreams would life be worth living?
I have several times that many guns but I am still a long way off from having 20% of my dream collection.
But then, without dreams would life be worth living?
AStone
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Over two years later ...
Found this sleeper
while searching for data on
a comparison of .357 mag v .30-30.
Seems like time for a bump.
Here's what I wound up with.
(Pic doesn't include the 39A.
Eventually, I'll add a Stoeger Outback.)
Found this sleeper
while searching for data on
a comparison of .357 mag v .30-30.
Seems like time for a bump.
Here's what I wound up with.
(Pic doesn't include the 39A.
Eventually, I'll add a Stoeger Outback.)
Seafarer12
Member
Wow that is an old one, Personally I like the Win 92 action over the Marlin 94.
SwampWolf
Member
Extra nice piece of wood on that bottom Marlin. You've got a good battery started Nemo! Be interested in seeing how your collection evolves (expands!) in the next ten years.
AStone
Member
Thanks, Wolf.
Yeah, I got lucky on that '94C stock. And it feels as good as it looks.
The 336A has nice wood, too, but the "nice" is much more subtle, hard to photo.
I've also added a 39A. I call them the Marlin Bros.
I'll post a pic another day. Gotta go back to work now.
Yeah, I got lucky on that '94C stock. And it feels as good as it looks.
The 336A has nice wood, too, but the "nice" is much more subtle, hard to photo.
I've also added a 39A. I call them the Marlin Bros.
I'll post a pic another day. Gotta go back to work now.
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