.3006 data for speer 150 btsp needed

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Hi guys, i am about to load some ammunition with speer 150 grain btsp catalogue number 2022. I want to use Hogdgon 4350 which i also load my .243 with. Does anyone use this combination and what are your recipes. thanks.

steve
 
All I can say about Speer bullets is...good luck. I haven't had any luck with Speer .308 bullets. It would be about the fourth or fifth I would reach for. For what it's worth, I have tried several hundred with IMR 4895 and IMR 4064. Accuracy wasn't terrible, just not nearly as good as Sierra, Nosler, etc.

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Stinger
 
I have had the same results as stinger. I have had much better luck with the Sierras. I shoot 57.5 gr of IMR 4350 behind a sierra 150gr BTSP with CCI BR primers to shoot clover leaf groups out of my ruger No.1 30/06.
 
You never know how a bullet will shoot until you try it. I have a Sauer 200 in `06 that loves 150 gr Hornady sp and a MRI Mt Eagle that very much perfers 150 ballistic tips.
Speer #13 shows 59.0gr as max for the 30-06 with their 150 gr bullets andCCI primers. OAL listed is 3.250" for the BTSP style.
Good luck..........
 
IMR 4350 is a better powder for the 30.06 in MHO.

But, then again each rifle has it's own particular recipe it will like best. No two rifles of the same brand will shoot identical with the same loads.

My 30.06s both hate Sierra bullets but love either Nornady or Remington.
 
Don't EVER use 4350 in either an M1 Garand or an M1A/M14. IMR 4064 is about as slow as you can safely use in either of these gas guns. I use 4895 (either Hogdon or IMR) exclusively in both of those and in my FAL. I don't know about the safety or receiver life issue of using slow powders in the FAL. Given the gas adjustability of the FAL maybe it is not a problem, but I really don't know.

I shoot a CETME and a PTR (G3 clone). I've never tried to reload for either, because of the fluted chambers in them that screw up brass so badly.

I've used 4350 very successfully in my bolt .30-06 and a couple of bolt .308s. Also on the heavier bullets in my bolt .243.
 
Load for the bullet weight. Who made them doesn't matter.
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I must humbly disagree. It COULD matter. Start low, work up. Check multiple manuals. I have seen different bullet manufacturers with different charges of the same powder. I have seen manuals with warnings about using certain charges with certain bullets.

It might work in your gun, maybe not in mine. The only way to know is to safely work your way up.

Always, safety first.

Regards,

Stinger
 
roe hunter, darlin', we gotta quit meetin' llike this...:D

While I don't think it matters for the Speer, jacket hardness will make a pressure difference. The Winchester Fail Safe bullet, for instance, gave me signs of pressure--primer flattening--when I used my standard pet load with 4064. In a casual hacksaw blade test, the FS bullet jacket is harder than the Sierra.

I've been using 52.5 grains of 4064 with 150-grain Sierra, Hornady and Rem Bronze Points since 1950. They all perform about the same on deer and in groups on paper--and through at least three different rifles.

Seat of the pants, I think maybe 4350 is a bit slow for the 150-grain. Better with heavier bullets, but don't ask me why--since it's a recommended powder for the .243.

I've loaded some 180s with H414, but haven't tested for group size, yet.

More FWIW ramblings: I've long used 3031 in the .243, for the lighter bullets: 40.0 with the 70-grain Hornady Spire Point and 37.5 with the Sierra 85-grain HPBT. Very tight groups. My Sako's twist rate is apparently a bit slow for the Nosler 100-grain, so I quit bothering with the heavier bullets.

And now, back to the scheduled program...

:), Art
 
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Hi art,
I have found some 85 grain sierra gamekings on e bay, i have ordered them. How do you load for them? i quite like the look of 38,5gr of varget

steve
 
Seems like a lot of advice, but no answers to your questions !!!!!!

I've had excellent results with the H4350 and 150gr Speer bullets.
No real difference seen between the Sierra's and Speers.

(I've actually gotten better accruacy with 180gr Speers in several .30/06 than with Sierra's. But, bullets were from same lot # manufactured back in late '70's when Vern Speer still made them).

As for the .243, just this past week I loaded and chrono's some Sierra 80gr SP's through a Stevens 200 I won in a pistol match back in May. Most accurate 80gr load was 38.0gr of Varget. 3,308fps avg. velocity from 22" bbl at 94deg. F., 82% humidity (in the shade, of course!). 38.5 would be fine in my rifle, and should give approx. 3,350fps as Hodgdon say's it will for MAX.

Back to the .30/06. If you have Varget, it will give superb results at 52.0gr (not max.). A 22"bbl will give 2,900fps +/-, my 24"bbls give 2,960fps. However, for velocity, RL15 is best(53.0 for 3,000fps+.
Accuracy is best with either IMR4350 (59.0gr) or IMR4064 (52.0gr)
And there I go giving "unwanted advice"!

But, you can try 60.0 and 61.0 of the H4350 as well. I just tried 59.0 to compare it against IMR4350 in my rifles. Did good, but IMR accuracy is slightly better, slightly more accurateand slightly faster.
My best results with H4350 in .30/06 came with 165 and 180gr bullets.

Your results may differ!

Good Luck!!
 
I've shot a lot of Speer 150's with IMR 4350. I used mostly the max. load listed in an older Lyman Manual. My rifle was an old push feed M-70 with just as old K-4 Weaver. This rifle would keep 3 in an inch at 200 if I did my part.

Creeker
 
Each gun is an entity unto itself. A friend shoots his best groups, sub-inch, in a 7x57 with speers.As far a powder goes someone once said "Load 57-59gns of 4350 and a 165gn bullet. If it dosen't shoot that well you need an exorcist not a gun smith" That is a little hot load for a 165, I use 58, but it shoukld be fine for a 150. My choice Is the new Hogdon extreme. Very temperature insensitive. capt david:) :) :) :)
 
Using the 4350 start at 55 grs which yields about 2514fps and work up to 59grs to 2765.---straight from the book. I found a good load for my rifle at 57.3 grs and 2620fps. I presume that you have already figured out that you can get some of your best velocities with the H4350 with bullet weights from 70 grs out to 100 grs for the .243. My 243 likes thta 4350 also.
 
uk roe hunter I think you can use your H4350 and feel good about it. Haven't used all the new powder out there. I'm a shooter and once I find something that works well I stop looking.

Their are those on this board who will search and search for better even if the better is only SOME better. And believe me we all owe them and learn from them.

But I settled on 4350 years ago as my hunting powder for the 06 with 150's and up. For blasting I like pulldown 150 flat base and pulldown 4895................Creeker
 
Speer's 13th Ed manual lists H4350 with a start charge of 55 grains and never exceed of 59 grains, which is a compressed charge. They predicated pressures and velocities using WW cases and CCI 200 primers. 2514-2765 fps from a Rem 700 w/22 inch barrel.
 
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