.38 super questions

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Peakbagr

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I have a couple of .45 autos and thinking about getting a .38 super.

Can anyone compare/contrast the .45 auto to a regular .38 special and the .38 super?
bullet weights, velocities, recoil, etc.

Since I load for .38 special and .357 in addition to the .45 auto, will a .38 super mess me up by causing brass mixup problems between .38 special and .38 super? Can .38 super accidentally be loaded in a .38 special or vice versa?

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I think that the .45 kicks more than the .38 Super, though the Super may produce more flash and blast. Some people perceive this as recoil, while others do not.

You will find the .38 Super to be superior in velocity to the .38 Special, and a little behind the .357 magnum. There is enough difference in case length and rim that it is easy to tell them apart, (even for my 48 year old eyes).

A .38 super case very well could fit into a .38 Special or .357 Magnum chamber. It possibly could fire. The pressure might be too high for a .38 Special, but should not bother a magnum. The reverse could not happen, as the revolver cartridges are too long. I do not recommend it.

Though I have drifted away from the .38 Super, I still own 2. It is a great, under-appreciated cartridge.
 
Actually the .38Super is much closer to the 9mm than any others mentioned. The Super fires in factory loads a 115gr bullet to around 1,350fps and a 124 to around 1,250fps. The 130gr RN-FMJ's run to high 1,100's to 1,200fps.

Recoil is about the same, BUT different................

The total impulse is about the same, but the force duration is shorter, so, it will appear a bit snappier. (lighter bullet, higher velocity, much higher chamber pressure hence "port-pressure" at muzzle).

The important thing to remember about the Super is, that like the .45, it's been around a long time. Guns built prior to the mid 80's, will most likely have a .356" bore, and will be headspaced on the rim. Accuracy suffers greatly with this set-up and contributed to the long term languishing of this cartridge until it was resurrected by the action-shooters. The high port-pressure at the muzzle was found to be much more efficient and the higher magazine capacity gave it a significant advantage over the .45acp.

The Springfield Armory .38Super I have, has a .355" barrel (nominal 9mm), and is a ramped barrel (factory!), and headspaces on the case mouth. Accuracy is very good.

Best part of this gun is that it will handle loads as light as 9mm cast bullets at 1,000fps, and- will shoot some real "fire-ball" loads with BlueDot, or AA#7 with 124gr JHP's to 1,350fps.

Brass is a sticky issue with the .38super. I have some Winchester Nickle plated cases that are quite thin, and with a standard expander, won't hold the bullet tight enough to prevent push-back. All other brands (Remington, Fiochi, Starline, ect) are fine though. My favorite all around bullets are a 120gr truncated conical loaded to around 1,100fps, a the Remington 115gr JHP loaded from 1,100fps, and UPWARD !

I sure you'll like the .38Super. Most that get one do.

Besides the usual 1911's, I've a friend that has an EAA "Witness" that holds 15 -or so, rounds and is respectably accurate (2.5"@25yds). These can be had for somewhat less than a good 1911.
 
I have 2 Les Baer .45 Bullseye guns. One if frame-mounted for red-dot and the other has a custom rib with Hammerlei sights and notched for a red-dot. They the the most accurate and well-made shooters I have.
I'm so impressed with my other LB's, thats what I'll probably get in .38 super when I do this.

Peakbagr
 
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