.45 HK USP vs. Sig P220

[Prion]

Yeah? Well, my dad can beat up your dad!!!

 

[Thatguy686]

to cpshooter

i am just curious as to where you got these wild ideas? or do you just like to disagree with everyone? i own an hk usp 45 hk uspc 40 and hk p30 9mm and i own a sig p226 elite a sig p220 compact sas a sig p228 sig p238 and sig p239
that said obviously i like both companies and would pick either over any other brand out there but sig does something you obviously missed the quality control you think hk has is a confusion because they fail to deal with any customer who isnt satisfied and like you said they do leave swirls all over the inside of their guns and the tolerances are good but pretty slopppy for a $500+ gun sig on the other hand makes sure their tolerances are perfect and have a great appearance also the whole idea about blinged out flashy models from sig theres good reason behind it PEOPLE BUY IT they cant make the design any better than it already is it is perfect so the only thing to change is the look so do they have 5 differant models of every model yes but its because somewhere along the line people said i love sigs reliability and design to bad they arent also "pretty" so what did sig do? the oposite of what hk does they did what the customer asked for i have had several issues with my hk's the only one that hasnt acted up is the hk uspc 40 the usp 45 has about 1100 rounds through it but it is already getting ALOT of wobble in the slide and the recoil has become lots more noticeable in the first 400 rounds so i called hk and asked them if they would send me a new recoil spring and they claimed that i would install it wrong......so i had to send it back to them then i get it back with the exact same spring i marked it with a sharpie before i sent it back so when i received it i called them and they said i was mistaking so i figured whatever ill order my own and did and replaced it with success and now with 1100 rounds through it the slide wobble actually scares me that it might just fly off while im shooting and ive sent it back 3 times now they say that it is COMMON and theres no way to fix it long story long hk brand new is a great firearm and possibly better right out of the box than sig but when you actually shoot the gun it becomes temporary if you want a gun to outlive you and continue to be something you can put your and your families life on then pass down to your kids and grandkids to put their and their families lives on then buy a sig

 

[MCMXI]

I have owned a few H&Ks and also currently own a Sig P229 .40. While this particular Sig is a great gun, I still don't think Sig can touch H&K in the reliability/durability department. Overall, I think H&K makes a better combat/defense pistol than Sig does.

So let me get this straight, you're making the comment above based on owning one P229 (that in your own words is 100% reliable) and what you've read and your ability to think? I have five P220s, two P225s and a P239. I've owned SIGs since '93 and have shot tens of thousands of rounds through SIG pistols over the years. I can personally vouch for the reliability, accuracy and durability of SIGs both old and new. I still own every SIG that I've bought and don't ever plan on using the word "owned" when referring to any of them. In addition, I have no problem with the idea of buying another P220, since unlike the few "experts" on this and other forums, I don't have a problem with the new models. I've found my 2010 P220 Combat, P220 Carry and P239 to be nothing short of superb and will trust my life to any of them. Since I know nothing about the H&K USP other than having shot one once, I won't insult the intelligence of other members here by making BS statements about H&K products based on what I've read.

 

[usp9]

My personal choice would go to the HK. I've owned both a USP and P220 in .45acp. There were some aspects of the Sig that didn't agree with me, mostly ergonomic, whereas I can't fault the HK in any way. I'll echo others and say; if I were to carry one I would look to the compact for ease of concealment.

 

[RX-178]

Good lord has it already been a year since I replied to this thread? For some reason I still remember it... I need to post more often.

 

[Viper]

I have both along with some other SIG's and HK's and like both companies. However, all my SIG's except the C3 are German. My P220 and USP 45 have night sights and are good HD weapons, but I find them a bit large for carry. For that purpose, I prefer my HK45C or one of my compact 1911's.

 

[sigarms228]

I have tried both USP and P220 and prefer the P220 by quite a margin and can shoot it quite a bit better.

BUT one should find out for themselves what works for them and then make their decision.

Both are very high quality pistols.

Oh and don't worry about SIG quality as it is superb in my experience with many SIGs and those of many other SIG shooters reporting nothing but 100 percent relilability. Don't let internet rumors brought on largely by about half a dozen VERY VOCAL members of another forum that use every opportunity to jump on the slightest issue as proof positive that SIGs are junk. My comments are about the P210/P220/P225/P226/P228/P229/P239/SP2022/SP2340 series of SIG pistols.

Below are some links to site with overal ratings of SIG pistols by those that actually own or shoot them that will put you at ease.

http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/573-sig-p220-carry-equinox

http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/318-sig-sauer-p220

http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/273-sig-p229

http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/257-sig-sauer-p226

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20211&gun=Pistol

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20215&gun=Pistol

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20217&gun=Pistol

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20213&gun=Pistol

 

[daytodaze]

I have and love both. But... Buying mags for the USP is painful. They run between 50 and 60 per mag.

 

[HKGuns]

Toss a coin, I don't have their spec's in front of me but the sig is pretty chunky and will be heavier which is always a consideration for CC. I also prefer the controls of the USP to that of the Sig.

 

[Thatguy686]

incase i sent the wrong message with my post i have nothing against hk they are either
2nd or third favorite first of course is sig because of the proven reliability and the customer service but let me also say for cc the p220 is going to be heavier than the usp but that said it will also be less recoil and it is much thinner and rounded edges as opposed to the square-ish design from the usp one other thing is the sig p220 compact is able to use extended magazines or the compact and keep it thin the sig p220 compact sas i have conceals easier than my hk usp 40 compact due to the slim profile

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I love my Sig P220 which is a "Made In W. Germany" model. It has 15,000 plus rounds through it and it still works great. It's very accurate and very durable. Of all the torture tests I've seen Sig endured the worst set of tests by far. They blew it up, burned it, shot it (with another gun), froze it, dropped it from a 5 story building on concrete, hit it with a baseball bat, ran over it with a bulldozer (steel tracks), and several other things and it still worked. If any gun is more durable than that I don't see how. That test was online for years but it's gone now. You can still find the text of the article without the photos on this web page. This was an incredible test and well worth reading about if you're interested in a P220. Yes it was the "combat version" but that only meant it had a different kind of paint on it.

I'm sure any poly pistol would have been crushed when they brought out the contruction vehicles.

 

[PO2Hammer]

You dig up a year old thread just to argue this?

cpshooter doesn't even post here anymore.

Don't be that guy.

 

[LightningMan]

Haven't read all the posts to this topic, so don't know if it has been said, but anyway don't most HK's use polygonal rifling and most Sig's use conventional rifling in their pistols? If this is true, and you reload alot using lead as your primary type of bullets, then your limited in choice, as it is generally not recommended to use lead bullets in polygonal rifling. I own a Sig 226 and it is a utterly reliable pistol and have also heard the same for HK's but for the above reason is why I have not bought an HK yet. LM

 

[usp9]

RE above: HK pistols have no lead prohibition, (except for the P7 for a specific reason). I've shot a lot of lead through my USPs with no problems at all.

 

[Thatguy686]

to po2hammer:

first of all the start of the thread is implying the op wants to know which we think is better and so its not arguing it is called weighing the differences to see which has more pluses that said did you not see my handle? thatguy686 so i will be "that guy" anyways the reason i posted here is because i feel others who may be in this same situation as the op may want more info on both guns as oppose to one person who reads alot and shoots a little then posts a totally false report also how am i suppose to know cpshooter doesnt post here anymore?

 

[Onmilo]

I didn't have a whole lot of good luck with the two Sig P220 .45 acp pistols I owned.
I currently own an H&K USP Elite in .45 acp and if you are looking for a belt gun I can recommend the USP line without any hesitation, they are simply fantastic IF you can handle the large grip and trigger reach.

If you are looking for a CCW .45 acp, there are better options out there than either the P220 or the USP line.

Springfield Inc. offers some excellent compact 1911 designs and the G36 Glock is actually quite good, both good examples especially if you have smaller hands while the larger girth G30 offers 10 rounds in a very compact design.

Kahrs and Kimbers, meh, too many issues to recommend.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

I love my p220s

 

[HKGuns]

Didn't even notice this thread was over a year old.

Jeez, I'm sure the guy has made up his mind already. Why dredge this up from the depths to post a single paragraph run on sentence?

My apologies for contributing to this abomination -Twice!

 

[109Hammer]

Ok...everyone stop. We all know HK is a better gun.

 

[HKGuns]

Hate it when I post a response in such an old thread. Sorry, should have read more carefully.

 

[dondavis3]

Here's my Sig P220 Compact.



Mine is DA/SA and accurate as can be.